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Apr 18, 2017 at 2:21 AM | clipe
Proximate Cause is an interesting area of Law, Liability, Negligence, Responsibility etc, that probably has different interpretations either side of the Atlantic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_cause
UA seem to have triggered this series of events, by having an insufficient number of employees that can count on the fingers of one hand, and then use a phone with either hand.
golf charlie
Apr 17, 2017 at 12:57 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie
The point is not "too many people on the plane" but UAL"s buggering-up an AOG downline situation that didn't need to be fixed right-away.
clipe
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/apr/17/humans-on-the-verge-of-causing-earths-fastest-climate-change-in-50m-years
Dana Nuccitelli has this Guardian 97% Consensus supporting article, but Dana has adjusted the title and homogenised the interpretation of the original report to match his predetermined conclusion.
"Future climate forcing potentially without precedent in the last 420 million years"
Surely future climate unforcing is potentially without precedent too? How much of the 97% Consensus is based on misrepresentations of 97% of reported science?
golf charlie
Surely this cannot be true because bad weather is a feature of man made climate change, not natural?
Apr 17, 2017 at 9:30 AM | TinyCO2
This is clearly fake news from a fake newspaper, involving faked archaeology, as it contravenes everything stated since the ascent of Mann to the High Altar of Global Warming, and believed as a matter of faith by 97% of Climate Scientists
golf charlie
@clipe
tickets I refer to are seaman fares - which I've been led to understand are also used for relocating flight crew from different airlines not traveling on their own aircraft. The 35kg luggage is a routine point of contention and the cause of a fair amount of argy-bargy at check-in - mostly through ignorance/admin slip-ups - but just occasionally through an attempt to cheat the traveler. Professional credentials must be carried and some airline staff really get pretty awkward about the whole malarkey.
I'd agree with you about pprune - after a number of enormous threads over the years it can get clogged with twits ( I can see why they close off some areas) . I lurk and don't comment.
tomo
UA The reason I find it like the Climate Debate is that people are being encouraged to join a baying mob ,
and when they haven't been presented with all the facts and nuances.
I'll have to backtrack on the injuries ..the flyertalk forum does talk about the level being 2 teeth lost etc.
So yes that is outrageous and does suggest a fail in the procedures and officer, when they are supposed to be able to remove passengers safely.
It does seem that a UA worker anticipated an entire plane load of passengers being cancelled down the line due to lack of crew, ..which would be a bigger failure than letting 4 passengers down.
But actually there were other options for getting that crew there on time.
stewgreen
Climate change in 1315-1317
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4417230/Found-700-years-priest-starved-death.html
"a time of mass starvation triggered by two seasons of relentlessly heavy rain which caused widespread crop failures, vastly depleting the availability of grain for humans and hay or straw for animals."
Surely this cannot be true because bad weather is a feature of man made climate change, not natural?
TinyCO2
yum yum Chili Con Carnage
clipe
Apr 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM | clipe
"...but something went wrong"
I accept that the Captain was legally entitled to refuse anybody access to his plane, and to remove someone who had already boarded.
I think a lot of US Customers will exercise their legal entitlement to fly with anyone but UA. Someone in UA should have been able to prevent too many people boarding the plane
golf charlie
Simon Calder was on MoreOrLess explaining overbooking runs on average at 5% cos biz people are on flexi tickets so the idea of one seat/reservation is a fantasy.
He suggested there is one fail in the system
They should offer you a £10 if you cancel on the day cos with zero reward no one tells the airlin.
That reward would mean the airline could plan better.