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@AK, Jun 2, 2018 at 2:32 PM
Rhodda Klapp. How can you condemn a religion? Especially one that was initially tolerant and theoretically still is.
You're joking I hope. Muslims have been at War with themselves and all others for over 1,000 years
Pcar
@golf charlie, Jun 2, 2018 at 12:12 PM
[1]White anglo saxons are not the most brutal racist thugs in this country, but they are happy to condemn entire cultures and communities based on the views and actions of the [2]extremist minority. [3]As they rally their forces under the Flag of St Tommy, (white background, with a big red Dunce's Cap in the middle) everyone else who may share some of their concerns, will get tarred and feathered with the same broad brush and duck down.
1 & 3 are intolerant, hate mongering assertions.
2 is a fake news not supported by reality.
There have been many surveys, polls and studies in UK, USA, EU which lay bare the claim of "extremist minority". iirc > 50% of muslims supported 9/11, want LGBT made illegal, want Sharia courts for all and >25% support the terrorist attacks/murders.
Like any crime, it's a small minority who commit; but muslim belief what they do is not a crime is why they are different. White thugs have few supporters, musliim thugs have many.
Trevor Philips(?) confirmed this in a C4 Docu last year. BBC Panorama has also reported same.
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Denying radical Islam is part of Islam, is admiring the Emperor’s new clothes
This is what TR is trying to make people aware of.
20 MPs, not 650 really is disgusting PC appeasement by the 630.
Tommy is risking life and liberty to bring this scandal to public attention. PTB & MSM complicit in the crimes are doing everything they can - legal/questionable - to silence him.
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Related: Denying radical Islam is part of Islam, is admiring the Emperor’s new clothes
Left & Millennials - LGBT+ banners "Welcome [RoP] Refugees" demonstrates their ignorance & stupidity.
Pcar
Jun 3, 2018 at 8:52 PM | Pcar
Which Trial?
Which Jury?
Which Defendants?
Which Witnesses?
Aren't you supposed to be an expert on Reporting Restrictions, Confidentiality etc?
golf charlie
Jun 3, 2018 at 8:02 PM | Mailman
Depends which meeja you choose to read.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so you could choose this:
https://order-order.com/2018/05/28/richs-monday-morning-tommy/
If you want to read some more, choose this:
https://order-order.com/2018/05/29/tommy-robinson-jailed-reporting-restrictions-lifted/
"Robinson was warned he would be sent to jail if he took on contempt of court laws and did anything that could prejudice a trial ever again. He did so anyway. Tommy Robinson is an idiot."
If you want to know how stupid an idiot he is, and gracious with it, you could even choose Wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)
If you want some good advice, you could try here:
"We need change but TR moves us back as often as he moves us forward. Can we stop debating him now?"
Jun 3, 2018 at 11:11 AM | TinyCO2
golf charlie
@Mark Hodgson, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:01 AM
From AC Grayling's Wikipedia entry:
"His political affiliations lie on the centre-left, and he has defended human rights and politically liberal values in print and by activism."And yet, here he is, behaving in a distinctly illiberal manner.
AC Grayling defends human rights and politically liberal values that he agrees with, all others are deplorable.
Pcar
@golf charlie, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:36 AM
Pcar: "Again: Trial was over. Jury retired to deliberate evidence and reach verdict."Again: just because you repeat yourself, does not make you a reliable source.
There is no logic in that. Are you claiming jury was still sitting and hearing evidence & cross examination?
If not, how do you justify claim Tommy's video influenced jury, but others shown in Ezra's broadcast didn''t?
Pcar
Mailman (Jun 3, 2018 at 10:03 AM): none of those. What he did do was rankle the establishment enough that they felt that they had to do something. Despite Tommy Robinson verifying with the police present several times that where he was and what he was doing was legitimate, the opportunity was presented, and was taken – he was arrested for breach of the peace (a catch-all that can be used for anything that takes the police officer(s) fancy at the time), and… presto! Having been arrested, he is now in contempt of court. Job done. That should stop him and anyone who might want to emulate him from having ideas above their station, eh?
While there were no other reporters there on that day, as there was no jury, and the defendants were coming in for sentencing (i.e. the boring part of the case), there is plenty of video evidence that they were there on earlier occasions, filming and being filmed as the defendants and members of the public run a small gauntlet of protesters verbally assaulting the defendants.
Radical Rodent
Yet had he been on the other side of the street he would have been fine. We know this because the meeeja told us he got nicked filming on court property.
Mailman
Mailman. I explained before but I'll repeat.
1) He committed contempt of court. A matter that judges will give harsh sentences for, way above real crimes. They protect their domain like bull terriers. I’ve never seen a contempt of court sentence I didn’t think was outrageously harsh. TR was on his second charge of contempt. Ouch.
2) He was at risk of filming victims, witnesses and jurors, all of whom might be targeted by the defendants and their coterie.
3) He was at risk of filming the defendants and then identifying them for the juries of subsequent trials. There have been several cases similar to this where some of the convicted sex offenders have remained anonymous where their co defendants have been unmasked because they were to be tried for additional crimes. In law, the past convictions of perpetrators are not disclosed until sentencing because their past guilt might influence the jury for a new offence (they may be innocent of). Personally I disagree with this but I can see why it became practice.
4) If the jury had not reached its decision, TR's output may have been seen by a juror. OK unlikely and the jurors aren't supposed to read anything about the case, that is why the ordinary media were also banned from reporting on the case, and still are, but the judges still try to control what gets out and what doesn't. The news blackout on TR being jailed was under the same umbrella. However the cover up was in danger of attracting more publicity than TR ever could.
5) Celebrities argue that they cannot be tried fairly because they cannot have a jury that would be unaware of their record/past behaviour. If TR had made the defendants 'famous', they too could argue that their case has been prejudiced. Leading to maybe a new trial or even a dismissal. Massive expense and also potentially devastating to the victims.
All of which means TR was in the wrong, even if we need to rethink our society’s attitude to minorities, Islam and a million and one other things. People who like our mixed up society the way it is, will use the Tommy Robinsons of our society to justify the madness and more. Labour in particular feed on any hint that a minority might be oppressed by a majority. Their success is due to everyone being in some way a minority.
We need change but TR moves us back as often as he moves us forward. Can we stop debating him now?
TinyCO2
@golf charlie, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:19 PM
Are you serious?
For the diverters, brain dead & pedants: http://causelist.org/leeds/T20187130/
On your last point: That's not what I've said or claimed, you are projecting your opinion.