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Vindication
@16min - all I have been saying since TR jailed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yjbQye5RM
Anti TR Bigots proved wrong
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@AK, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:10 AM
I am grateful to golfCharlie and Mark for balance.
ie I don't like truth and impartial legal system.
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@golf charlie, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:29 PM
thesecretbarrister can be dismissed as his bias usurped his duty to be impartial
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Incoming:
1. Apology? Admission of wrong?
2. BBC/Gurnion like diversion?
If latter, be prepared and call out.
Pcar
@GC,
Snide insults demean you.
Pcar
Seems to me that the establishment was prepared to beat down the law to get TR. This is not to state an opinion on his guilt or innocence, in the absence of even a real charge (and how may he defend against no properly stated charge?). Proceduraly, this was not what they call due process. What we may be seeing is the willingness to bypass the right way of doing things in order to get someone who is plainly not deserving of proper treatment on account of being far-right. Isn't that exactly what totalitarians do? We aren't supposed to have shortcut summary justice for people who, well, just deserve no better. Because he's a thug. Or a football hooligan, or islamophobe or whatever.
Did they ever release the verdicts and sentences for the second of the three grooming trials? Is it right that some defendants might have been sent to jail in secret and no justice seen to be done? Seems strange to me.
Rhoda Klapp
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:56 PM | Pcar
Get some cough syrup. What will Robinson's defence be at a new trial?
golf charlie
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:18 PM | Mark Hodgson
If I understand your legal points correctly .........
Those in prison are (NORMALLY) either Convicted OR on Remand. Those "On Remand" have better rights. Robinson was serving a sentence/tariff without having been "Convicted", but he was not on Remand either, but his rights should have been similar to someone On Remand, ie not convicted. Was this a mistake of the Judge or the Prisons? Does it have relevance to Robinson being "In Contempt"?
With regards to "The Video", I was intrigued by some of the statements made and videos recorded PRIOR to the day in question, which seemed to suggest that Robinson had been contacted and warned to desist, and therefore his claims of innocence and naivety lacked credibility.
golf charlie
One interesting part of the TR Verdict ‘short summary’ is that it provides more details on what happened in Leeds:
Counsel indicated to the judge that they anticipated submissions of mitigation rather than a defence to the contempt. The particulars of the contempt were not put to the appellant and the appellant was not given the opportunity to admit or deny the contempt. Some mitigation was advanced on behalf of the appellant and the judge proceeded on the basis that the appellant had admitted contempt. The judge committed the appellant to ten months’ imprisonment (reduced from fifteen months for the admission) and activated the suspended committal imposed at Canterbury Crown Court.
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-stephen-yaxley-lennon-aka-tommy-robinson/
In other words, the judge provides no particulars as to the accusation. The defence duty-solicitor – grabbed during his lunch break – offers mitigation. He can’t deny the accusation because there are no particulars. The judge then proceeds as if Tommy had admitted contempt!
And for the last two months, smug fellows like SecretBarrister and his supporters (here? cough) have been explaining to the knuckle-draggers: “He admitted contempt! He admitted!”
Pcar
North west drought news
\\ Hosepipe ban called off as bosses say recent rainfall has eased demand for water
United Utilities said water supplies were now at a high enough level to call off the planned ban, which was set to start on Sunday. //
What about Severn Trent area ?
\\ Water Level - 30th July - 68.3%
Current water storage levels in the Severn Trent region are at 68.3% of capacity//
all above 50% some above 80%
stewgreen
Mark \\ The BBC news team need to be reminded that it isn't news until it's happened.//
+100
too often we see PR not news
too often we see speculation not news
..whlist at the same time they bury news of things that have actually happened
There was endless speculation last week .."ooh UK hghest temp coming" ..then the storms came instead
stewgreen
6:45pm Look North ran an 8 minute advert for Drax
"Oh here we are making a special access film , The ulta high colling tower is off for maintenance so we are climbing to the top
..blah,blah converting to biofuel"
...No hard issues were raised
stewgreen
@Rhoda Klapp, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:36 PM
+1
Appeal Court rules Judge Geoffrey Marson wrong, muddled, illegal, mis-categorisation.
The anti-TR Bigots who claimed he admitted guilt and endangered trial may now find Judge has done that.
If I were a RoP rep barrister, I'd be considering appeal based on a biased Judge who doesn't know law