More of the same from RT, and it makes for pretty depressing reading - but it's worth a read, nevertheless, IMO:

"The UK govt needs to start telling us the truth on Covid-19; lockdown is NOT a way of beating the virus"

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485513-uk-government-covid-lockdown/

Whilst accepting lock-down for now, for want of an alternative, I have been wondering when and how we will emerge from lockdown, and what will happen when we do. It seems to me to be inevitable that we will all catch Covid-19 at some point, a deeply depressing thought. I'm not convinced that the current strategy has an end-point. I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions, but I do think we need a more thoughtful and nuanced discussion than is currently taking place. Am I alone in despairing at the fatuity of most of the questions asked by the MSM every day at the Government press conferences?

"Whilst accepting lock-down for now, for want of an alternative, I have been wondering when and how we will emerge from lockdown"
"It seems to me to be inevitable that we will all catch Covid-19 at some point"

Apr 12, 2020 at 8:39 AM Mark Hodgson

Lockdown has been extended beyond the original 3 weeks.
Our "Nightingales" are not yet all functional
I don't know that test results have yet been made available that confirm how many of the front line NHS Medics and Carers are now IMMUNE, whether they had serious symptoms or not.

At a time of National Emergency, with widespread and unknown Emergency Powers in force, we have been governed by a tough but benign consensus within No 10, possibly the most contaminated workplace outside a hospital in the UK.

I don't envisage a substantial change in Lockdown until a highly experienced BoJo is deemed fit to make it. Another few weeks would allow more testing to monitor the size of the growing Immune Herd.

I have not changed my assumption that "we are all going to get it", Herd Immunity is going to be acquired more slowly due to Lockdown, and the more vulnerable will have a better chance of survival when the almost inevitable occurs.

Sweden has yet to Lock Down. An interesting Control for statisticians to monitor, and it may prove the Health Professionals wrong or right, depending on who you listen to.

I anticipate relaxations to assist construction, farming, horticulture. Reopening schools will depend on Heads being able to order teachers back to work, and parents accepting that school is an acceptable risk.

Mark

The media pack might do thoughtful and nuanced but if they do - it's being well hidden. Whatever vestigial reporting skills are out there in the MSM, the material collected is mashed by the editorial guidelines into thin gruel with a few unpalatable floaters on top.

There are a raft of questions to which answers must be forming - but we are treated mostly to evasion, preposterous PC / woke inanities and a procession of malign campaigners and assorted eejits looking to project their personal agendas onto the crisis.

In an effort to circumvent the information management going on I have been also been looking at media from Anglophone countries, the foreign service "broadcasts" of non Anglophone nations and a selection of blogger/vlogger content. Turkmenistan's response is a standout. Canada is also a standout with the results of Trudeau's media subsidy largess being quite awfully obvious....

I feel that unless there is some direction imposed on the frankly haphazard goings on - then we will be headed into 2010 volcanic ash territory fractal precautionary principle territory. Our MSM is now largely not fit for purpose bouncing around between inanities, PC pushbuttons and yes, being totalitarian enablers.

The sporadic reporting of what's going on in China should be front and centre - but as China internally kicks out western correspondents, apparently goes all xenophobic and starts wiping the web of coronavirus research, the CPC dramatically ratchets up its western media spend - what social media I do use is absolutely brimming with expensive Huawei and TikTok ads, eBay is stuffed with Chinese adverts and I have a feeling that Google is also doing quite well out of general web ads from CCP controlled companies.

Given that Amazon has gone full Streisland effect and banned it.... I had to take a look at Mike Cernovitch's "Hoaxed" - I found a copy on The Wayback machine - and while I'm no fan at all of some of the participants it is a useful look at the prisms that are deployed by the MSM....

https://order-order.com/2020/04/12/mervyn-king-ending-lockdown-will-process-trial-error/

Schools will do the maths on the practicalities of Social Distancing within a class room.

BoJo achieves epic popularity in bed.
https://order-order.com/2020/04/12/tory-government-sets-new-polling-record/

... but whatever he decides to do over the next few weeks, there are going to be bad consequences for many.
https://order-order.com/2020/04/12/sir-jeremy-farrar-uk-likely-one-worst-affected-countries-europe/

tomo, thank you, I thought these two bits were significant:

:It will be open to interpretation both by individuals seeking to leave their house with reasonable excuse and those individuals responsible for enforcing the Regulation."

" Enforcement powers
The reason that the lack of clarity in the scheme as a whole is troubling is the wide powers of enforcement which leaves the scheme open to abuse and may well lead to a disproportionate and discriminatory impact on marginalised and disadvantaged communities."

If UK residents are sensible and don't push the wrong buttons of those with power to enforce, all will be OK ish.

If UK Authorities are sensible, and don't get unnecessarily confrontational with those pushing their luck, all will be OK ish.

It is therefore inevitable that there will be some problems, resulting from those persisting in demanding Freedom to Express their opinions about their definition of Human Rights, meeting those fed up with dealing with the feckless idiots and the frustrated.

There is nothing to be gained for the UK's Law and Order Services in getting snarled up in form filling, paperwork, arrests, Court appearances, putting people in prison etc. I doubt that Her Majesty's Government wants that either, and some of the Statements made by Police Officers have been subsequently tamped down.

Positive news on Chloroquine

https://youtu.be/Kj6ZFpVU0XU

The president made wise preparations for a pandemic.

Click

The president made wise preparations for a pandemic.

Apr 12, 2020 at 11:09 PM Phil Clarke

Why did Climate Scientists waste the money that would have helped with Medical Research and Treatment along with Medical Aid, Public Health Engineering and cheap reliable power?

This is purely anecdotal......
My 3 kids all live in London. They all claim that many of their friends have had the bug, along with numbers of work colleagues and other contacts. These are fit youngsters: none of them have hit serious problems. One common experience which does not seem to be reported is that symptoms return, in milder form, for a day or two sometime after the person felt back to normal.
Taking this at face value, the incidence of infection is being hugely under-reported. Also the "recurrence" experience is worrying if it means that the person becomes infectious again.
Have others heard similar stories?

Have others heard similar stories?

Apr 13, 2020 at 10:46 PM | Mike Higton

I have not, but I suspect many similar stories do exist, and I hope they are true. The only way to check is with testing. If testing confirms that many have been infected without serious consequences, then it would be likely that the immune herd is out there and growing unnoticed.

If researchers had more info on those with immunity, it might help those most at risk, which in turn could allow phased restrictions on Lockdown to be permitted.

If my random arithmetic worked the area occupied by those viruses if placed side by side in a square still wouldn't be visible to an unaided eye....

Apr 14, 2020 at 8:25 AM tomo

Even the latest hi-tech Chinese security cameras would struggle to tell them apart.

https://order-order.com/2020/04/14/sir-patrick-admits-testing-ramp-slow/

Public Health England too obsessed with their own control and command, to be of assistance to the health and wellbeing of the public.

Must be something to do with the internal politics.