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🟢 7:30pm ITV Air Pollution
Seemed less focused on cars and more on woodburners , and home chemicals
… That seems better science than the usual PR BS
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-20/air-pollution-what-you-need-to-know

eg featured our mate *Jon Grigg* ... video about home chemicals https://twitter.com/ITVTonight/status/1451216719897190408

“The latest government data claims domestic fires create more than THREE TIMES the tiny particulate pollution than all of the road transport in the UK! ”

Professor Frank Kelly of @imperialcollege talks about wood smoke emission in #ITVTonight at 7:30
video : https://twitter.com/ITVTonight/status/1451194059859578880

Green TV progs don’t generate much Twitter interest, but a few activist orgs were tweeting
eg ClientEarth
eg BBC presenter @ConnorPhillips (yes on ITV)

Oct 22, 2021 at 12:41 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

The ITV presenters tweet is false and alarmist
Air is much cleaner than 40 years ago
UN limits are probably too low
and no country makes them
... https://twitter.com/joe_crowley/status/1451206589491421191

Oct 22, 2021 at 12:45 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Things are not going well for Glasgow (and other) council bus fleets in SNP-land.

Retrofits making some diesel buses even dirtier

The week before COP26 too ... ouch

Oct 24, 2021 at 6:35 PM | Registered Commentertomo
Dec 13, 2021 at 7:54 PM | Unregistered Commenter.

That tweet asks us to believe
"one in five deaths worldwide (10.2 million out of 56 million per year) is caused by air pollution from burning fossil fuels."

That of course is a "too wow to be true" statistic
Come on how many of your friends have died from air pollution ?

Sure people die in my village. So is it one in 5
people die here from old age, cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, Traffic collisions etc. ..none of Covid
And zero of air pollution cos it is listed as the main cause of death on almost zero UK death certificates

Now air pollution really does kill African/Asian mothers cooking indoors over solid fuel AFAIK it's pretty big number hundreds of thousand maybe a million IIRC

Jan 27, 2022 at 10:17 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

AFAIK claims of tens of thousands of UK deaths per year
come from a statistical exercise
of counting up all of the days we all lose off our lifespan due to air pollution
and across the whole pollution those lost days
add up to THE EQUIVALENT of tens of thousands of lives lost.

interesting , but you can't go comparing that to ACTUAL number of deaths caused by other things
like Road collisions and alcohol.
cos that is the fallacy of comparing Apples vs Oranges

In our alcohol total you haven't include all of the countries lost life days due to alcohol

Similarly you can't compare 40K equivalent Air Pollution deaths 4,000 road collision deaths
for one thing those few days we all lose at aged 82 are lower quality days.

Yet today in an R4 Prog about *critical thinking* Steven Pinker did that
It's a thing he has done many times in the past

eg Oct 9, 2019
Air pollution kills more Americans each year than car crashes or homicides. Targeting it also reduces CO2. Trump is right that the US has some of the cleanest air in the world - thanks to clean air regulations he is now trying to gut. https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/air-pollution
via @TheBTI

4th Feb 2020
Air pollution shows errors in risk perception (Cog Psych 101): it kills millions, largely poor & minorities,
but gets a tiny % of the attention of hazards that kill dozens eg terrorism, school shootings, police shootings of unarmed suspects).

As I say that tweet is very challegeable but you can't
#1 Pinker doesn't allow replies
#2 Twitter hides quote tweets, It tell s me there are 16, but it hides all 16


Today's prog : https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0013rp0
Think with Pinker : Headlines and trendlines
The media fills our minds with vivid images of rare events from plane crashes to terrorist attacks.,
so how can stop the news from distorting our understanding of the world.

Jan 27, 2022 at 10:58 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Straw bale power station Hemswell Cliff store fire is still burning
Visible from 15 miles away lighting up the sky
for the FOURTH night

First day was 30,000 megabales
Saturday's winds spread it to 3 other stacks so about 90,000 in total gone

That's NOT "Clean Green Energy",
that's lots of *carbon particulate matter* going into the atmosphere,
unstopped by filters, that a coal power station would have.

#AirPollution #GreenBlob #FakeGreens

Jan 31, 2022 at 12:26 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

@stew

not much coverage in the MSM

quelle surprise - not.

Jan 31, 2022 at 12:31 PM | Registered Commentertomo

ITV local news
Asthma severity seems coordinated with hormone levels
It's always been known than women suffer more than men.

The item was PRasNews for some charity

"Asthma + Lung UK Cymru
Excited to see the launch of @asthmalunguk’s first brand ad campaign - Breath is Life!
You will be able to hear it on radio and see it on social media and digital posters across the UK! "

==================

BBC Asthma: Women at higher risk of attacks than men, charity says
Published27 April
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61234443
The study - conducted by Asthma and Lung UK

Jun 6, 2022 at 6:21 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

On the PHomewood thread the point was made that reducing particulate pollution
should warm a city

It Victorian times the sun had to fight through the smog
but today it's straight through

ie Green Policies warm the planet

The counter argument is that smog on the ground should change the albedo so that the city warms in winter
when the sun is absorbed rather than reflected back into space.

Jul 31, 2022 at 11:11 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Imperial have done a long thread about The London air pollution claimed death prog on BBC radio4
Firstly is that graphic really representative of current London air ?
I thought smog had gone
Secondly did they pick black London presenter, cos it' a black London issue ?

In December 2020 Southwark Coroner's Court found that air pollution "made a material contribution" to the death of Ella Kiss-Debrah. Ella died in February 2013 at the age of nine after over two years of severe asthma attacks and cardiac arrests that led to multiple hospital visits.

Rosamund Kissi-Debrah, Ella’s mother, spent seven years after her daughter’s death trying to find the answers as to why her previously healthy child had suddenly become so gravely ill. An initial inquest found no connection to air pollution and at no point was air pollution mentioned as a potential factor in the time that Ella was ill.

Eddie Nestor speaks to Rosamund and the key people involved in fighting for a second inquest and ultimately setting this hugely significant legal precedent.

We also explore what comes next.
How could the law be changed to reduce our exposure to invisible pollutants?
What can government at all levels do to make the air we breathe less toxic?
Is pressure from the public necessary to make drastic change happen?

Aug 12, 2022 at 3:32 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Tony Frew talked so much sense on POLLUTION
before he suddenly died
Everyone who claim there are 40,000 actual deaths/year is misleading

Cars are not the bulk of pollution
so getting rid of all of them reduces pollution by 1/7th
YouTube audio

There really are some badly maintained cars that need
so concentrating on all car is madness.

Aug 15, 2022 at 10:48 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Scotland : There's a report just out which says in the 4 cities to implement LEZs, the emissions levels are now within legal limits probably due to the introduction of electric buses.
There's no need for anyone else to change their vehicle.
Hmm the legal limits are arbitrary anyway

Similar arguments apply to London, actual road pollution measurements are often very low
Always ask Is It about what they say, it's about ?

video Exposing the LEZ and ULEZ air quality scam in Scotland, London and Beyond.

May 26, 2023 at 11:12 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen