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Discussion > Drs against Diesel : A subsidy mafia Front

Sun Political correspondent on TRadio now
"Theres's masses of extra pollution this week
it's caused by the traffic jams, caused by them ripping up the roads
to put in extra cycle lanes"

Jul 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

You spelt his name wrong it's not John Brignall, it's John Brignell with E

No mention of any death on Twitter
The latest post on his site
is 26 May 2019 The Solar Fraud - Number Watchwww.numberwatch.co.uk › solar_fraud

before that
15 Nov 2018 - Number Watch monitors the media in search of misleading numbers in news, politics and science.

The last mention of John on the web was
William M. Connolley sneering at him in March

Jul 8, 2020 at 11:15 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

ITV local news "oh look at this village Hickleton it has high levels of NOx"
villagers "lorries, lorries, they won't give us a bypass"
Me "lorries are not bad for NoX they have good filters now"
..transpires that FoE have done report

"More than 1,300 sites across England are breaching nitrogen dioxide (NO2) air quality targets, according to Friends of the Earth..
The worst place for NO2 is not in a city, but a section of the A35 that passes through the village of Chideock in West Dorset.
It recorded an average annual of 97.7 ug/m3, more than double the government's Annual Air Quality Objective of 40
...(doh cos the targets are too low..most people's dose are indoor from natural gas .. )
Oh course the Hickleton villagers do want a bypass and they'll use the FoE PR
The 1,300 sites is not a lot
cos 2 sites in that small village are in the top 10
so maybe it means 400 areas of something
This village is on the road from the M1 at Barnsley to the A1 at Doncaster
& corps have built distribution warehouses nearby.
The village 2 miles away does have new bypass.

Jul 29, 2020 at 6:34 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Sadiq's Cycle lane madness
new Hyde Park roadside one
runs parallel to established one inside the park

https://www.twitter.com/SamuelJJack/status/1288194793651286017

Jul 29, 2020 at 7:09 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Particulate matter (PM2.5) air pollution did not decline during the lockdown period in Scotland,
according to a new study published by researchers at the University of Stirling.

"Based on these findings, the researchers have concluded that traffic is not a key contributor to outdoor particulate matter pollution in Scotland
and in fact, people may be at greater risk from air pollution in their own homes."

The guy Ruaraidh Dobson cautioned was that Scotland is quite windy.
- He said he is particularly worried about particulate exposure INSIDE the home cos that is going on for a long time
not a short time on the road.

http://airqualitynews.com/2020/09/08/pm2-5-pollution-did-not-decline-during-lockdown-in-scotland/

"The results: NO2 was significantly lower in 2020 than in previous years (less than half in the observed data),*
but fine particle levels were similar to 2017 & 2018
(2019 was much higher – there was Saharan dust blown over in April that year which caused a spike)."
https://twitter.com/ruaraidhdobson/status/1303271741150638082

* an alarmist would have focused on NO2
ah he says "the epidemiological evidence is that fine particles are very harmful to the body (particularly the heart).
The evidence on NO2 is not as strong"

It's all best explained in his Twitter thread

Sep 9, 2020 at 12:47 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

also https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2020/09/lockdown-did-not-reduce-most-harmful-type-of-air-pollution-in-scotland/

Sep 9, 2020 at 12:53 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Radio Humberside news was making a big thing of
"school anti-pollution measures The CLOSED SCHOOL STREETS initiative is to be tested in two schools in East Yorkshire" story
... hang on the whole point of East Yorkshire is that it is the RURAL county that surrounds Hull.
95% of the county will have low road pollution.

So I just checked and sure enough both these schools are quite rural
They sit on opposite sides of Goole
.. open fields practically at the back and broad rivers passing nearby
One school is about 750m from the M62 motorway so that might be an issue
but the area is flat and tends to be very windy
And the changes don't affect the motorway.

I am pretty sure that at neither of these two rural schools are kids get much of their daily dose from school drop off cars
Their pollution dose will be coming from indoor sources etc.

Airmyn Park Primary School and Hook CE
aerial photos

Sep 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

It's "scare the kiddies" (and worry the parents) tactics that wouldn't likely work in a secondary school.

There's several primary schools in my area that have loony lefty Green teachers - one grim clot paraded all her hi-viz vested charges through the streets of a nearby town last year waving placards about the climate crisis and giving gushing quotes to the press about what a wunnerful role model Thunberg is.

If I were a parent I'd contemplate putting a few stickers on posts around the school (at about 1m height) with "Sometimes Teachers say the Silliest Things" on them.

That said - I really do find the ideological antics of particularly primary school teachers irritating - using the trust placed in them to enable activist proselytising wouldn't be tolerated if the teachers were say Jehovah's Witnesses.

Sep 17, 2020 at 5:46 PM | Registered Commentertomo

They are still at it though I don't write every time

Sept 26th "petrol and diesel cars could be banned in a decade"

The article mentions that the Times is campaigning for 2030
..so no way is it an impartial article

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FFS ! Look at page 28 Giles Coren
"Out of my way, panda killers,I’m Mr All Electric "

Ah it's satire
He says he comes into London everyday, just cos the ULEZ is free
chuck in your old murder bucket and come over to the light,

Such are the rewards that Boris and Sadiq have laid out for us good and considerate people: massive tax breaks that the poor can’t get near, plus a charter to drive on what are now effectively our own private roads. And all for the layout of just a few tens of thousands of pounds.

Comments section is owned by the anti-greens
"London used to suffer from clouds of smog.
Now it is overwhelmed by clouds of smug. ..

(EV drivers who don't realise how much pollution they really do cause)"

Oct 2, 2020 at 11:05 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

"London used to suffer from clouds of smog.
... Now it is overwhelmed by clouds of the smug .. EV drivers
... (who don't realise how much pollution they really do cause)"

H/T commenter Ben Thomas

Oct 3, 2020 at 3:39 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Oh Countryfile has a Tom Hep item on countryside air pollution.
.. that sounds contrived.
What's going on.?
Was it PR or News ? ... Yep PRasNews

What's it's a FRONT for ?
Friends of The Earth .. we know that cos the item featured their expert throughout
and featured the FoE boss at the end

Why was it on now ?
.. Next week is their #CleanAirDay ..so it's PR for that

First village Chideock
claims about NO2
They spoke to village woman with an asthma problem
.. doh actually doctors say asthma attacks correlate to grass pollen, and when people move to towns they get LESS attacks

then PM2.5
say woodburners cause that
‘oh you have to dry your wood properly’

Back to Friends Of The Earth man
He suggested you use your woodburner less and invest “£20K in a ground source heat pump instead.

Finish up with another Friends of the Earth woman
she pulled the trick of saying "We are not achieving WHO targets"
.. Doh the WHO targets made up numbers that are set too low, countries rarely meet them.

Omitted
– What counts is not air at the road, but air that reaches your lungs.
– Road air is often just washed out by the rain.
– If you leave laws out of it roads will still continue to get ever less polluted, cos tech always gets cleaner with time.

They did mention that a lot of road dust comes from tyre abrasion
but of course didn't say electric cars make that worse, cos they are heavier due to the battery.

It's weird no one bother to tweet @TomHeapMedia much
no one tweeted him any feedback

Oct 4, 2020 at 9:50 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

From Twitter seems there was little impact
Maybe 4 people tweeted in Favour
whilst 6 tweeted against

Oct 4, 2020 at 10:34 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Times Oct 24 : full page on topic of ground/water pollution
Strangely this article doesn't seem to be cutNpasted from activist material.
- Claimed pollution incidents are rising whilst prosecutions are falling
.. that doesn't seem a good thing
But I could imagine if EA had changed to a no-prosecute policy that would incentivise people to fess up more
and eventually lead to les pollution events.
Main article focused on slurry from a Lancashire super dairy polluting the 2 rivers

It talked about plan for new subsidies being tied in to pollution results

Nov 4, 2020 at 1:13 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Time to merge the DAD thread with the Covid thread?

A New Scientist seems to think so

Nov 5, 2020 at 10:49 PM | Registered Commentertomo

"Covid deaths linked to air pollution"

What's saying ?
Oh yeh "Correlation is NOT causation"

BTW smokers are supposed to suffer LESS from Covid

Nov 21, 2020 at 10:25 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Times : weekend section has Smartmeter wrap around advert with RSPB cooperation

Nov 21, 2020 at 10:26 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

OMG Saturdays Times seems to have 8 pages of material written by green PR agencies
the Weekend section had a 4 page wraparound advert from Smart Meters
sponsoring the RSPB as well

In the main paper 2 different big articles of 2 pages each
which have the fingerprint of Big Green PR agencies all over them

#1 Let’s take a trip round the green new world of Britain in 2050

Sounds like Brave New World
It gets a kicking in the comments from PAYING subscribers
“Absolute boxxocks. Did St Greta sponsor this?
I now feel inspired to cook a steak and open a bottle of wine. Driving my 4×4 will therefore have to wait until tomorrow as a result.”

#2 Personal Finance “Cash in On the green revolution”
Gets a kicking in the comments
“The Times needs to present factual information.
The Green Grant’s does not include solar panels although we have a picture of it with a caption indicating so. MISLEADING!”

Nov 23, 2020 at 11:07 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

EPA decide not to cave in to the PR tricksters on PM2,5

"EPA won't rely on science fraud to tighten air quality standards for PM2.5."

https://junkscience.com/2020/12/huge-winning-epa-will-not-tighten-pm2-5-air-quality-standards/

Dec 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

"Illegal traffic pollution is putting tens of thousands at a health risk"
says the Times DieselsRpaedos team

the report keeps using the word "illegally" / illegal as an amplifier word
so looks like activists PR
The big quote is from Transport Action Network

The pollution is illegal, but to me that is cos the limits are set too low
The page first makes it look like it hundreds of roads but it turns out it's mostly different sections of the the same roads
often near each other

The activist says we need to move to low emission vehicles.
The truth is if you just stuck with the innovation of diesels the pollution would drop as tech improves anyway
The actual pollutant they are quoting is NO2

but most people receive a higher dose of that inside their house than outside anyway.

Dec 30, 2020 at 9:31 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Good to see as ever the alarmism is called out in the comments.

Dec 30, 2020 at 9:34 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

10am Women's Hour : Virginity tests
then
Anjali Raman-Middleton is a 17 year old activist, and one of the founders of Choked Up, a group set up by black and brown teens campaigning for changes to clean air laws.
Anjali went to primary school with Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah, the first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death.

..as a factor, after a lot of political lobbying

Jan 15, 2021 at 7:17 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Steve Milloy is hot on Air Pollution
and wrote a book about Air Pollution disinformation

So I checked what he said about the Ella Kissi-Debrah inquet
He quotes Dr. John Dunn comments about the NYT article about the death of this child.
https://junkscience.com/2019/02/dr-dunn-comments-on-the-nytimes-claim-that-london-air-quality-killed-a-child/

Jan 27, 2021 at 9:59 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

..

Jan 28, 2021 at 12:19 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Scary Environmental Defence Fund VIDEO

Jan 28, 2021 at 1:57 PM | Registered Commentertomo

PM 2.5s cause macular degeneration -
In the BMJ

Jan 30, 2021 at 2:24 AM | Registered Commentertomo