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Déjà vu - Josh 364

A hilarious possibility but one which Zeke has already said has been fixed or was wrong. Well, that's a relief - these things do tend to happen in Climate Science.

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cementafriend, is it the limitations on chopstick technology that have prevented baked beans taking off in the Far East?

Obviously in the early days of rocket science, the Germans in the 1940s had sauerkraut to assist them blast skywards, the US had beans, but what powered Yuri Gagarin?

Mar 28, 2016 at 11:04 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

gC. Vodka! Oh the power of potatoes.

Mar 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Kendall

cementafriend - can I recommend for your delectation an episode of 'Rosemary & Thyme' (when Bear Grylls is on the main ITV channel) where the two ladies are in their lodgings, completely p*ssed, and Felicity (be still my beating heart) Kendall is wrestling with a Chinese takeaway using chopsticks...

It is a classic piece of tv acting...

Mar 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM | Unregistered Commentersherlock1

>Is it possible that any previous mass extinction events have had nothing to do with CO2, temperature, volcanoes, asteroid impacts etc, but have occurred as a result of the Poles switching? <

The Papyrus Harris speaks of a colossal catastrophe of fire and water when "the North becomes the South. The Earth turned round on itself"
The priets of Luxor "Twice in past ages the Sun used to rise in a different quarter from where it rises now and twice it was wont to set in the
east instead of the west"

Plato wrote about this in Politicus: "In certain periods, the universe has its present rotating movement and in other periods it turns in the opposite direction… Of all the changes that take place in the sky, this reversal is the biggest and the most complete."

Inuit elders issue warning to world: 'The Earth has Shifted'

The Inuits are indigenous people that inhabit the arctic regions of Canada, the United States and Greenland and throughout history their very lives have been dependent on being able to correctly forecast weather.... and they are warning NASA and the world that global warming isn't the cause of what we are seeing with extreme weather, earthquakes and other events.

Mar 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM | Unregistered Commenterhusq

husq, so maybe Josh's original cartoon was right, and Mann's confusion actually represents his prophetic genius, in his own topsy turvey mind. What is wrong, is right; what is down, is up; what is North is South; and in Mann's own computer modelled World, the Sun really does beam brightly from where the Moon doesn't shine.

This also means that Phil Jones' missing data was lost in the University of West Anglia, and searching in the East was a complete waste of time.

Mann really does need to take his Hockey Stick away, and sit down/think on it.

I don't suppose anyone has considered the shifting magnetic pole as a cause of multi-decadal changes in climate? The biggest mass of man made, shifting lumps of iron must be the motor car. Climate scientists will then demand a highway around the Equator, with bridges over the Oceans as necessary. Motorists will then only be permitted to drive clockwise or anticlockwise around the world, at sufficient speed to restore the Magnetic Pole to its optimum position, as determined by climate scientists having calculated their future earnings potential.

Journey times from London to Bristol and back, may increase, if you have to go via Hawaii, but this is the sort of sacrifice that climate scientists are already making to save the planet.

Mar 28, 2016 at 5:04 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"...but have occurred as a result of the Poles switching?"

From plumbing? to what?

Mar 28, 2016 at 7:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterKaiboshed

Which one of the two characters in the cartoon is John McLean?

Mar 29, 2016 at 9:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss B

With the warmth of history brutally assaulted by a bristle-cone pine,
Shall we now kowtow to a computer code overturning our entire world?

Mar 29, 2016 at 11:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Kendall

Josef Loschmidt (Maxwell's teacher) was the first to realistically determine the size of air molecules - quite a feat in the 19th century. There is no correct peer-reviewed published refutation of his gravito-thermal effect, which is based on and derived directly from the Second Law of Thermodynamics, that law also never proven incorrect. There's a US $7,500 reward offered at if you or any reader can prove me wrong and produce a study confirming water vapor warms to the extent implied by the IPCC. Furthermore, the Loschmidt effect is now proven empirically in hundreds of 21st century experiments. The existence of this gravitationally induced temperature gradient means the IPCC doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding CO2.

Hence there is no need for James Hansen's guesswork that radiation from a cold atmosphere must be heating an already-warmer surface, because it is the force of gravity acting on molecules between collisions that produces both a density gradient and a temperature gradient. The Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that in Nature there is an autonomous propensity for a system to move towards the state of thermodynamic equilibrium, which state has maximum entropy. However, this state in a force field is NOT isothermal. That is, there exists a non-zero temperature gradient which we can understand and quantify using the Kinetic Theory of Gases.

This fact, known about by physicists since the 19th century, completely demolishes the greenhouse. Hansen assumed isothermal conditions without GH gases, but that is NOT what the Second Law of Thermodynamics indicates will tend to occur. See for more detail.

In the state of thermodynamic equilibrium (that is, maximum entropy) in a column of the troposphere the pressure from above and below any horizontal plane is equal. Because pressure is proportional to the product of temperature and density, and because there can be no transfer of energy or matter across any internal boundary when there is thermodynamic equilibrium, we can deduce that, for any horizontal plane, there must be equal numbers of molecules crossing upwards as there are crossing downwards, and the mean kinetic energy of each group while crossing the plane must be equal.

Now for the temperatures to be equal when crossing this means that (because molecules gain Kinetic Energy with downward motion) there must have been lower mean molecular Kinetic Energy (temperature) above the plane and warmer temperature below. Hence there is a stable equilibrium temperature gradient resulting from the entropy maximization process described in statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Mar 30, 2016 at 10:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhysics Researcher

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