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Thursday
Feb112016

Talking of comedians

If you thought the antics of the greens at the Cuadrilla inquiry were silly, take a look at Bob the Blether's latest in the Independent, outlining a vast right-wing conspiracy centred on, erm, 55 Tufton Street, Westminster. 

And they call us conspiracy theorists!

In related news, the owners of the Independent are considering closing it down.

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Jesus there are some crazies on the left! Is it no wonder the GPWF doesn't want to release its list of donors? Hell...I wouldn't want my name known out there out of fear someone might write something mean in the Indi!

Mailman

Feb 11, 2016 at 9:06 PM | Unregistered Commentermailman

“This zealous ideological clique are trying to imprint their extreme agenda on government policy. It’s clear they enjoy preferential access to some parts of government and, considering their small size, they are having a disproportionate impact,” said Bob Ward, policy director at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Institute.
Oh, the Irony.

Seriously. If the 'In' Campaign wants to win the argument they need to actually make an argument.
Tying together people who share some views does nothing to counter those views.

Some of us are independent, in mind and geography, of the Westminster elite, anyway.

Feb 11, 2016 at 9:11 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

M Courtney

It's almost like the old days of the Court Party and the Country Party.

Feb 11, 2016 at 9:14 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

Well, I never.
Two doses of hypocritically hysterical humour in one day.
Bob Ward's total lack of self-awareness is only exceeded by his ability to rant for England, or maybe even Europe. He'll burst a blood vessel one of these days.

Feb 11, 2016 at 9:51 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

People who work in politics have offices in Westminster. Amazing news.

Feb 11, 2016 at 10:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterCal

Isn't there some sort of Godwin's Law that covers anyone quoting Bob Ward? If there isn't, there should be.

Feb 11, 2016 at 10:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterUncle Badger

@ Uncle Badger

God-Ward's Law?

Feb 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Public

If Bob Ward is pro EU, then based on his proven track record of being wrong, all financed by somebody else, who is the public to trust? Clearly not The Independent.

The public can be very forgiving, but hypocrisy never gets forgotten.

Feb 11, 2016 at 10:36 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Tower 3
Clement’s Inn
London WC2A 2AZ

Any of the Qaddafi family still got an office?

If the Independent does turn into a click-baiting PR churner and thinly disguised agitprop sump like HuffPo it'll be a sad end to what was originally a mildly lame but virtuous quest epitomised in the name.

Feb 11, 2016 at 10:59 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Does anybody know where Blob Ward's office/domicile is situated, and which green blobbies share same site(s)?

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:04 AM | Registered CommenterSalopian

Bob is a crackpot? er................. with another rabid outpouring of bile streaked guff, his gold star rating of 'AAA1+++ climativist crackpot'...... is confirmed yet again, how many more times does it have to be affirmed, he jus' don' care don' ole Bob - do ee?

I dunno though,

About the most worrying thing I've read today, Soros has an article in the Gruan, averring that - by comparison to IS, President Putin is by far the greater existential threat to the EU and by extension Britain.

Now, it's true that, there's not much me and Soros could possibly agree upon but once more (how many times?) a bit like Bob - Soros could not be more, dead wrong.

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

Salopian, I do not remember where in the GoDaffy School of Economics Bob Ward resides, but I seem to remember that his domain is air-conditioned. Urban Heat Islands can be localised around sensitive thermometers, or is it that sensitive thermometers are best located in Urban Heat Islands?

Feb 12, 2016 at 1:24 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

“This small cabal is undermining the democratic process, which should be based on robust and open debate, rather than clandestine meetings between ideological bed-fellows,”

Time to resurrect the Seditious Meetings Acts?

Feb 12, 2016 at 4:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterOld Grumpy

Greenpeace, Canonbury Villas, London N1 2PN

“This zealous ideological clique are trying to imprint their extreme agenda on government policy. It’s clear they enjoy preferential access to some parts of government and, considering their small size, they are having a disproportionate impact,” said Bob Ward, policy director at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Institute.

Feb 12, 2016 at 5:33 AM | Registered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

“This small cabal is undermining the democratic process, which should be based on robust and open debate, rather than clandestine meetings between ideological bed-fellows,” this sounds like a perfect description of the CAGW Alarmist Army.
They gave up on open debate years ago as they kept on losing.
55 Tufton Street, Westminster should come under the protection of the National Trust.

Feb 12, 2016 at 6:59 AM | Unregistered Commenternicholas tesdorf

@Old Grumpy

Seditious Libel will be resurrected / reinstated first - Jeremy Grantham and chums hope...

There are many other people who are aching for it to make a return - and we know which bunch of heretics would be among the first victims.

One assumes that Jeremy Grantham does not have individual copy approval for Ward (??) - let us not forget Ward is the official, handsomely rewarded mouthpiece for The Grantham Foundation
and there is little evidence that he has ever been restrained for going "off message".

another address:
Grantham Foundation for the Protection of the Environment
40 Rowes Wharf
Boston, MA 02110
617-453-8432

Feb 12, 2016 at 7:24 AM | Registered Commentertomo

are home to no fewer than eight right-of-centre organisations

Holy crap!! People have views that aren't left wing, call the police.
This zealous ideological clique are trying to imprint their extreme agenda...

So if you are right of centre (not liberal or labour) you are an ideological zealot with an extreme agenda.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

"So if you are right of centre (not liberal or labour) you are an ideological zealot with an extreme agenda."

When you stand so far to the extreme left, everyone else - has to be a "right winger".

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

When did being pro-Europe become a lefty issue anyway? I remember Michael Foot standing on a platform for coming out of Europe and Ted Heath took us into Europe.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

What jumps out of that Indo story, is that the only quote provided comes from your friend and mine, Bob Ward.

Nothing from the subjects of the story; why wouldn't a diligent journalist actually go down to 55 Tufton Street in person and speak with the residents? That is a rhetorical question, BTW.

No, what this reeks of is a story conceived, "researched" and probably even mostly written by on Bob Ward and handed to Mr Baldwin, a domesticated journalist a a rag rapidly going down the gurgler.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterGeckko

Presenting the research on his website, the head of the European Foundation, the Tory MP Bill Cash, thanked “the work and insights” of the renowned climate sceptic Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

Now THAT is funny.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:33 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

@Athelstan

morelike - if you disagree - or worse - actually challenge anything I say then I'll find a name to call you - and preferably a suitable diffuse moniker that devotees can project onto. (and never mind any evidence eh?)

Such is the low art of the political PR goon who does not care for mirrors.

What really rankles is the PR contrivance that "science" unequivocally supports his blatherings. That's what BW is - a PR goon.... - and one who occasionally gets traction with an increasingly lazy + awful + content hungry MSM between the "reality" stars.

@Phil Clarke 8:33 AM - care to elaborate ? - or is this a drive-by?

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:37 AM | Registered Commentertomo

At least Monckton has put some work and insight into his attack on the pseudo-science of global warming.
All Phil Clarke has ever done is regurgitate other people's tedious tripe on the subject.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:57 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

@MJ - indeed - linking to a raving wingnut like Joe Romm is particularly low-grade trollery - but actually, in this context -quite appropriate.

Feb 12, 2016 at 9:07 AM | Registered Commentertomo

“This small cabal is undermining the democratic process, which should be based on robust and open debate, rather than clandestine meetings between ideological bed-fellows.”

Bob Ward inviting Lord Lawson and Graham Stringer to “robust and open debate”? That's a new one. What are the rules of engagement? Multi-million pound hedgefund subsidies at forty paces?

Feb 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

@geoffchambers

well - no doubt that "robust and open debate" would only be entered into if Bob gets to define what's "robust and open" - but in the meantime the words simply serve PR purpose to try and dignify / drape his drivel with reasonableness.

Bob - you're not really very good at this ... there must be a McDonalds somewhere that could use a litter picker surely?

Feb 12, 2016 at 9:19 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Well that is an own goal by Bob.

If these groups all have to share the same, not very big, premises- they can't be "well-funded".

Feb 12, 2016 at 9:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterBitter&Twisted

If only there was a group of psychology or sociology researchers worth the name. Conspiracy ideation, projection, attribution of motives, deception all in one inflammatory, reactionary article. Talking about low hanging fruit....

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:04 AM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

I always thought that Graham Stringer was a member of a “zealous ideological clique.”

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM | Unregistered CommenterColin Porter

tomo & Mike ... A book needs to be written about the Viscount of Benchley's general looniness and shonky science; Monckton's 'work' has been serially, repeatedly, authoritatively debunked. He continues to repeat false claims long after they have shown to be so and gets the science wrong time after time after time.

An embarassment. But he seems to be the best these people have got.

LOL.

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Phil, I believe this article is about Bob Ward's right wing conspiracy theory and not the Viscount of Benchley.

If you want a thread about him then start one in discussion.

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

Talking of comedians, for the first time ever (possibly) Monbiot and Miliband come together to discuss global warming. Book early.

https://membership.theguardian.com/event/guardian-live-ed-miliband-and-george-monbiot-in-conversation-21057821511

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:48 AM | Unregistered CommenterCB

Phil Clarke
Your first link goes to a site which does very little except quibble.
Your second link leads nowhere (at least for me, and I've tried two different machines)
Your third link leads to 'hotwhopper'— and you call that 'authoritative'?? Sheesh!
Nobody has yet successfully debunked Monckton to any meaningful extent. What pisses off the "community" is that he keeps challenging their conclusions which is something that in a true scientific community they should be doing themselves. And most of the time he is right, or at the very least provides quite reasonable alternative interpretations for the same data.
See this morning's post on Marvel et al. If the likes of Schmidt spent less time defending the indefensible and did his job properly it wouldn't be necessary for amateurs like Monckton to do it for him. The day a "recognised" climate scientist from within the community is prepared to stand up and say — publicly, please — "there are holes in that paper" will be the day that discipline grows up and becomes worth paying attention to.
As far as I can see at the moment it will also be the day that arguments about global warming become irrelevant because hell will have frozen.

Feb 12, 2016 at 11:09 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Perhaps there is some truth in the old political adage:

"If you're not left-wing in your 20's you've got no heart. If you're not right-wing in your 40's you've got no brain"

Feb 12, 2016 at 11:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterJack Dawkins

Just so we can all remember how many people actually read the Independent (and Guardian) and so presumably are in line with Bob Ward's political and environmental views:

http://www.themediabriefing.com/media/project_tmb/image/cirp-diff-2015-oct.jpg

Of the serious newspapers, the Daily Telegraph beats them all easily, with the Times a close second. The Grauniad and Indie added together don't get close to the Telegraph and there bars on the graph are too small to actually write the numbers in!

Bob Ward, like many greeny-lefties, makes the fatal error of presuming that he is in a majority. Its self-delusion Bob. Almost no-one reads the Independent and if the Grauniad wasn't being propped up by shedloads of private money it would be bust too.

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:00 PM | Registered Commenterthinkingscientist

>>Your first link goes to a site which does very little except quibble.

It is a list of 125 errors in an article Monkton managed to get printed on an APS website disputing the IPCC climate sensitivity calculations. Most are fundamental. Take E28, where His Lordship arbitrarily divides delta-T by 2 based on a paper by McKitrick et al on UHI. Even if this were legitimate (and it certainly is not), it would only justify an adjustment to the trend over land, Monckton applied it to the whole globe, rendering the rest of his conclusions invalid. Not a 'quibble'.

>>Your second link leads nowhere (at least for me, and I've tried two different machines)

Works fine for me, it's a presentation by John Abraham, a Professor specialising in Heat Transfer and Fluid Mechanics, 100+ slides of debunk.

http://courseweb.stthomas.edu/jpabraham/global_warming/Monckton/Monckton%20Presentation%20June%2022/index.htm

Naturally Monckton threatened to sue, and equally naturally he did not follow through.

>>Your third link leads to 'hotwhopper'— and you call that 'authoritative'?? Sheesh!

Pure ad hominem. Clearly Sou is correct in what she writes.

>>Nobody has yet successfully debunked Monckton to any meaningful extent.

You're kidding, right? Try this

On May 6, 2010, Mr. Christopher Monckton testified by invitation to the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming of the U.S. House of Representatives. Mr. Monckton, who is not a scientist, gave testimony that was in stark contrast to that of the scientists who were present at the hearing as well as the many official statements produced by the world’s premiere scientific organizations, about the growing dangers of climate change. Here, a number of top climate scientists have thoroughly refuted all of Mr. Monckton’s major assertions, clearly demonstrating a number of obvious and elementary errors.

See also https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord-moncktons-rap-sheet/


>>See this morning's post on Marvel et al. If the likes of Schmidt spent less time defending the indefensible and did his job properly it wouldn't be necessary for amateurs like Monckton to do it for him.

I'm not up to speed on that one, do any of Lewis's claims, if true, alter the conclusions of the paper? Or is it, as I suspect, a McIntyresque mountain/molehill situation?

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

I am detecting gravitational waves. A massive object is disturbing the space-time continuum
It could be a double black hole, more likely a massive space-ego

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterEternalOptimist

Looks like it's official - The Indy is closing

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/12/independent-and-independent-on-sunday-closures-confirmed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35561145

Bob Ward writing
“This zealous ideological clique are trying to imprint their extreme agenda on government policy"
is indeed comedy gold.

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Going, going, gone..... goodbye to the Independent.

http://order-order.com/

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

I'm guessing Bob was the last nail

Independent to cease as print edition

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

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But both the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail have now told MPs they believe climate change is happening and humans play a role in it.

Editors at the Telegraph told the science and technology committee that "we believe that the climate is changing, that the reason for that change includes human activity, but that human ingenuity and adaptability should not be ignored in favour of economically damaging prescriptions." But they railed at being too frequently confronted with "impenetrable gobbledygook."

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/01/telegraph-and-mail-concede-on-climate-change

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

There is no a doubt a conspiracy to change society .
It is neither right nor leftwing in character (the monopoly adopts both positions as a matter of convience)

If you listen to Peter Sutherland it is not even a secret .

Look - just observe Ireland. (Always the most extreme case during capitalist flux periods)
Its a repeat somewhat of the oldest of northern european capitalist stories.

I"Private Credit" ( directed by the CB) has decreased from 400 billion euros to 200billion euros over 8 years. !!!!!!!!!! (A historical and perhaps unique deleverage event)
At the same time foreign vulture funds has maintained the price of assets far beyond the purchasing power of the resident population.

The solution as always is to plant the island with a new population unencumbered with debt.

But this leads to a implosion of society and a consequent dramatic reduction of yield on human assets..............
But what matters most to slave owners is not so much yield , it is control.
Once the conduit system of control can be maintained then nothing else really matters.

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

There's an excellent account by the cartoonist Nick Garland of the founding of The Independent, called Not Many Dead. It is rather sad that having started out as genuinely trying to be independent it steadily moved to the BBC/Guardian world view and for this rabid right winger at least unreadable.

Feb 12, 2016 at 12:48 PM | Unregistered Commentermike fowle

I see Yahoo have caught up with the demise of yet another left wing mouthpiece. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-independent-no-longer-newspaper-130033662.html
Just another website now.

Politics swings left and swings right. We seem to be on the way back to the right at the moment . There has been a concerted effort to ride the Global Warming gravy train by the communists all the way to control of the UN and EU. As always they have failed, luckily for us, or we might have been subject to a Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot again. Must be very frustrating being a Communist in an age of mass communication as the key to control is controlling information and solid censorship of opponents. See the Kim Jung IL instruction manual on how to remove a General in one easy lesson.
I thought Cimateman Clarke would have been off confronting Putin, Modi, and Xi Jinping by now, saving the planet for the rest of us. not still pecking at Monktons tail feathers and wasting his time and ours. Too busy telling hotwhoppers and collecting his posting pay I suppose.

Feb 12, 2016 at 1:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterIvor Ward

@PC are you naturally dense or is some specialist training involved?

Few here would challenge the fact that climate change occurs and has been occurring like - forever - and since we live on the planet we are part of it.

You on the other hand appear to be saying that it's new and dangerous and that it's *all* our fault - which is patently stupid.

Feb 12, 2016 at 1:40 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Indy closing: Another win for the environment, too - saving on newsprint and all its adjuncts, and on recycling same.

Feb 12, 2016 at 2:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Spilligan

Thinkingscientist,


The Grauniad is propped up with shedloads of BBC licence fee money. Crappy Graun cast-offs are put on pension by BBC with titles like "Newsnight editor."

Feb 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM | Unregistered Commenterjolly farmer

Same office = conspiracy
OK please explain why the
Grantham funds his Climate institute ...works thru Imperial and the LSE
Then LSE gets together with Leeds U and ESRC funding to create the CCCEP
, but CCCEP and Grantham Climate institute seem to have significant overlap in people
Since it's all done thru unis there must be a fair bit of taxpayer money going in aswell
Yet those 2 orgs seem like Grantham infuenced NGO's

Feb 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Clealry, yet again, (somewhat boringly), Phil Clarke displays his complete technical ignorance. If the satellaite record shows the warmest whatever, year/day/month, (take your pick), it is merely by a factor of a few hundreths of a degree Celcius. The recent "record" implied that 2014, followed by 2015, that they were the hottest years on record, by two-hundreths of a degree, gleaned, & tortured from data that was measured by a machine with an error margin of +/- nine-hundreths of a degree Celcius! Which demonstrates that those making the claim are engaging in some wool-pulling, & thinking that everyone else is as thick as two short planks! I also find it amusing that those similarly minded fruits cannot see through the arguments the minute they claim that "right-wingers" are trying stifle this or that, clearly denoting without realising it that they have identified themselves as being on the political left by default!

Feb 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

Is it an accident that CCCEP reads almost the same as CCCP?

Feb 12, 2016 at 5:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...

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