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Wednesday
Jan202016

Quote of the day, sound science edition

...can you guys fill in the "look at the impacts we're already seeing" part with a bunch of examples? In addition to the scientifically sound examples you'll give it would also be good for me to get an updated list of extreme events that are plausibly climate related.

US climate envoy Todd Stern reaches out beyond the scientifically sound

Via Chris Horner.

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He's only asking for the plausible.
He isn't asking for the actual.

At least he knows that newsworthy Anthropogenic Global Warming is all about what people believe and not any physical realty.

Jan 20, 2016 at 12:44 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

Intersting choice of "plausibly" - would the test be either "beyond reasonable doubt" or might it be "on the balance of probability"?

perhaps - "give me something that isn't immediately lame and is awkward and time consuming to rebut" ....

Jan 20, 2016 at 12:49 PM | Registered Commentertomo

What are the "scientifically sound examples "?

Jan 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM | Unregistered Commenternot banned yet

This is all about 'plausible deniability' (see Wikip)

Throw in some good juicy scare stories that scientists can then deny ever having made, and politicians can then blame on 'the best information available at the time'.

Muck raking, without liability for being wrong. Sums up climate science to a Hockey Stick.

Jan 20, 2016 at 1:32 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

...can you guys fill in the "look at the impacts we're already seeing" part with a bunch of examples?
I suspect the answer to that question is going to be deafening in its silence. It is a question I have asked of a lot of Believers, to be met with obfuscation and bluster, with nary a whisper of an answer.

Jan 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

He's not asking for - "extreme events that are plausibly AGW related", he's asking for "extreme events that are plausibly climate related"

That'll make compiling the list much easier.

Jan 20, 2016 at 2:07 PM | Unregistered Commenterjaffa

Here's a short list, but its not really just for "already happening", but for the warmunists, is there really a difference between ".0001% chance of happening sometime in the next 1,000 years" and "is" happening (mostly in models)?

http://numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Jan 20, 2016 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterCaligula Jones

It appears to me Mr. Stern is looking for new ammo; he believes there are examples and he wants to have them so he can use them.

Presuming Mr. Stern is a member of the Obama Administration, I would expect nothing less.

Jan 20, 2016 at 2:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterGamecock

He's reaching for the plausible disasters now because they already used up most of the less plausible ones.

Jan 20, 2016 at 2:18 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

When do we get to find out how many climate science activists were only too happy to respond?

This is the type of scientific accuracy so beloved of the BBC.

Jan 20, 2016 at 2:55 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Why surely he can just feel that extra 0.3K increase in his own lifetime on his body. Who needs more?

Jan 20, 2016 at 5:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

so there are TWO climate nutters with the name Stern ??

The UK has one the US has one

Jan 20, 2016 at 6:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterVenusCold

VenusCold, hopefully someone called Stern will have a large chunk of his contribution to climate science binned. Binning the output of two Sterns would reduce the margins of error, and provide a higher level of confidence.

Jan 20, 2016 at 7:21 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

A scientifically sound method of identifying climate impacts is to use the basic science to predict them before they happen. Now with the complex and chaotic interrelationships that make up climate one would not expect to get all the predictions correct, but a few successes would be nice, so we might compare performance against a dumb prediction model. Last year I challenged expert physicist aTTP on this matter. Seems I have not got the method of evaluation quite right. From his comments it appears predictive success is irrelevant to evaluating science from pseudo-science. It is more about prejudiced ranting against anyone who deigns to question that climate is anything less than on a par with pure fizzicks. Perhaps aTTP might forward his recommendation of John Cook's Denial 101x course to Todd Stern so that he might properly understand that true understanding of climate impacts comes not from mere facts, but from agreeing with the expert pontifications of psychology and history of science professors.

Jan 20, 2016 at 8:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterKevin Marshall

Doesn't he know?
Just in Canada, the effects have been devastating- Children are playing in Paris fountains! Russia has dried mud fields. Canada has buildings that were collapsed in the 1980's.
Hat tip Steve McIntyre.

Jan 20, 2016 at 9:51 PM | Unregistered Commenterleo Morgan

It's a publicity ploy by Todd.

After all, DiCaprio himself knows... as we all do. There is no need for examples when everything you sample tells you the same thing. Go outside, pick a rock, there is climate change.

Jan 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterAila

Someone point him to John Brignell's NumberWatch, then we can all have a laugh.

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Jan 21, 2016 at 12:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterRick Bradford

"... extreme events that are plausibly climate related.

I consider shipping North Carolina forests to North Yorkshire to fit this description.

Jan 21, 2016 at 7:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn F. Hultquist

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