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Tuesday
Jun162015

Cartoona Enciclica - Josh 332

Papal thoughts on the environment have been posted here, on Dot Earth and at WUWT. You can read the whole thing in Italian here

Cartoons by Josh

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As a former worshipper at the altar of Rome, this is one of your best Josh.

I unreservedly LOVE it

PMW.

ps, the M stands for Mary

Jun 16, 2015 at 10:40 AM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Walsh

They appear to be taking a somewhat more cynical view of this over at WUWT than we are doing here!

Jun 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/6/12/1434133993532/Pope-Francis-on-a-visit-t-007.jpg

In genere uti plastic si pluat condom mac.

Jun 16, 2015 at 10:46 AM | Unregistered Commenterson of mulder

Steve Milloy's tweets are worth reading too.

Jun 16, 2015 at 10:52 AM | Registered CommenterJosh

Even a few years ago, something like this from a pope would have had some credibility, but now it just looks ridiculous.

Jun 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler

From the translation in Steve Milloy's Tweets:

Everything is related, and all human beings are united as brothers and sisters in a wonderful pilgrimage, linked by the love that God has for each of its creatures and unites us even among us, with tender affection,
All seems sound. Now what are we united with?
with tender affection , brother sun, sister moon, brother to the river and to Mother Earth.

Oh.
The use of capitals emphasises the paganism and deification of nature.
Clearly, this can’t be the final text. It isn’t Christian.

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:23 AM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

Mike Jackson at Jun 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, "They appear to be taking a somewhat more cynical view of this over at WUWT than we are doing here!"

The translations I read clearly show the Pope used all the correct phrases for the "green blob" and is a huge, huge, historical WIN for the Greens. He states:
-consensus warming
-constant rise of sea levels
-increase in extreme weather
-abundant solar energy
-most of the warming due to greenhouse gases caused by humans
-fossil fuels are the biggest culprit
-affirms the climate models are the "gospel"
-carbon dioxide is pollution
-melting of the polar ice
-increased acidity of the oceans
-must combat the heating mostly caused by human activity
-will see unprecedented destruction of the econsystems
-climate change causes mass migrations of humans fleeing it's effects
-scandalous level of consumption
(one tires of listing all of them).

My favorite, though, is"
"The Earth “is protesting for the wrong that we are doing to her, because of the irresponsible use and abuse of the goods that God has placed on her."

An amusing part is where the Vatican reasons out, in effect, the "heat causes heat to be blocked thus making more heat in a viscous cycle".

Oh, and cure is wealth transfer.

Cynical?
Are facts cynical?
The paper was meant to affirm the views of the Green Blob and it certainly has delivered. After all, who can vote against "the poor" or "the women and children" or "the save the Earth" or ....
For any Germans reading this, time to go buy a new Brown Shirt ...

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:44 AM | Unregistered Commentercedarhill

M Courtney
I have to say I had some doubts about this guy with his tendency to shoot from the lip. If what we see in translation on Thursday is as bad as this then I fear the Church is in for a difficult time.

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Love the cartoon Josh.

RANT ALERT.

What I’ve read so far from the encyclical makes little sense to me other than it’s the usual waffle of vague goals with no plan. Religion and societies in general are bad at looking at life logically. So the Pope would say ‘look after the poor’ but never define what poor means. In our sick societies, if everyone had over a million, someone with 500,000 would be poor. The Pope and many like him would still be moaning about poverty. People would still feel aggrieved because they weren’t as rich as the others and there would always be people supporting that ludicrous notion, for some perversity of their own.

And if you never define poor, you never define enough and subsequently how do you define too much? Is the person who has more shoes than they can ever wear more profligate than someone who travels extensively?

If the Biblical view of wealthy people was true, then the richer a society got, the more evil it would become. Is this remotely true? No, just the opposite. The places you are, and feel safest in are the most wealthy. That safety is usually only threatened by those who feel they deserve more than they’ve got. I think religion has a name for that – coveting or just plain jealousy to me and you. By condemning those countries that have overcome the anarchy of poverty, the church is attacking the route to genuine peace and happiness. CO2 is the way the church can keep condemning the rich west, when it’s not those places that need to do the most.

It’s a popular meme to say that the white men and usually English ones at that, are responsible for pillaging third world resources and leaving them unable to flourish. B*ll*cks. As current fracking surveys show, the Earth still has a huge abundance of goodies to extract. The few hundred years that white men ruled foreign lands we barely scratched the surface and left infrastructure, education and medicines in our wake, that far exceed the value of what we took. Instead of mooting the idea we should pay for polluting the planet with CO2 we should be sending them a bill for the benefits that have trickled down as a result of those emissions.

So Mr Pope, don’t apologise on my behalf and don’t expect me to regret my CO2 either. If you stopped enabling bad people, you might see more people able to enjoy what they’ve got and stop trying to destroy the fragile technological branch we’ve created for ourselves. Solutions to AGW will be developed as and when we need them but not if we embrace universal poverty. After all, we’ve worked out how to get the camel through the eye of the needle, either by making a camel smoothy or creating a bloody big needle. Butt out!

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:46 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Well it makes a change from burning the heretics. Alas they are trying to jump into bed with people who generally hate religion and all its works.

Jun 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

And so not to be left out, the following from the Torygraph's letters page

Religion and climate

" SIR – We write as faith leaders representing communities across the UK, united by our shared concern about climate change.

Thousands of us will be lobbying our elected officials tomorrow in Westminster. We welcome people of all faiths and none to join us. We urge the newly elected Government to take the necessary action to tackle climate change: we will support them every step of the way.

Our faith calls us to care for creation and respect the environment created by God. It is our duty to care for our planet so that our children and our grandchildren can enjoy it as we have done, and because it is the world’s poorest people who are already suffering the impacts of a changing climate.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary General, was right when he recently said: “Science and religion are not at odds on climate change. Indeed, they are fully aligned.”

Rt Rev Nicholas Holtam
Bishop of Salisbury

Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner
Senior Rabbi to Reform Judaism

Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra
Assistant Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain

Rt Rev John Arnold
Catholic Bishop of Salford "

Jun 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand

Green Sand - the problem with letters like that is who can argue with the generalities that are given? The problem that such banalaties are used as shorthand for specific solutions. Often those solutions are impractical or even harmful to 'the poor'. The 'poor' also always seem to be in the developing world, and not on our doorstep (sometimes literally).

From what I've seen of the very rough translation I have of the whole thing, the encyclical is far wider ranging, and covers more ground in detail.

Jun 16, 2015 at 1:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterCumbrian Lad

Greensand, thank you for posting that letter from major faith leaders.

I am not sure whether faith in climate science is further discredited, by the lack of science, and reliance on faith.

Jun 16, 2015 at 1:29 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

In keeping with the spiritual alignment of Religious Faith and the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick, should Karl's recent pause busting paper be renamed the Lazarus paper, for trying to bring to life something that was flat lining for almost 20 years?

Maybe Karl Frankenstein's Jump Start Paper?

Jun 16, 2015 at 1:55 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Elsewhere I have pointed out that good Catholics will be confused by exhortations to worship Tlaloc and Ehécatl.

Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...

At what point do you just have to let the lunatics have the asylum and buckle down to ensuring that the harm they are doing to others does not affect oneself?

Jun 16, 2015 at 3:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterIvor Ward

golf charlie

May I suggest "The Resurrection"
It sems to be more appropriate.

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM | Unregistered Commenterpesadia

"Oh, and cure is wealth transfer." --cedarhill

Who determines how much wealth transfer is enough? I suspect the outcome of the world's greatest hoax will be the world's biggest and most insatiable tapeworm.

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:17 PM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

pesadia, you are probably right! If it had been released a few months earlier, it would have been in time for Easter, making happy bunnies of all of us, including Eli Rabbett.

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:28 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Indeed, the Lomborg Convergence. Hard to tell who is more angry at the pope, the Steve Milloys or the Michael Shellenbergers. Eli wonders when the right to be forgotten will be used to wipe some of these from google. Truly amazing (BTW, while Eli does not agree with everything in the encyclical or that the Catholic Church does, youse guys are way over the top)

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterEli Rabett

jorgekafkazar, those who have profited so well out of climate science wealth transfer, argue that it is a good thing, and can't get enough of it.

Those who might benefit, tend to die before they get to understand why.

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

“If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;

I wonder if he ever thought of downsizing!

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

Eli, are you happy with all the racketeering done in the name of climate science, or don't you see it?

Jun 16, 2015 at 5:50 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

To spare us translations by Steve Milloy, and recrimination by renegade Knights of Malta, the IPCC should cater to the Vatican’s taste, and issue their next report as a Latin vulgate to be read aloud on Fox TV, with an Executive Summary in Attic, so the Curia can vet the science against their copies of Aristotle’s Meteorologika.

Jun 16, 2015 at 6:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

VVussell: I bet you have a translation on your vlog: The Pope's Envivliva.

Jun 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

cedarhill, it does seem like a desperate attempt to check all the right boxes (from one religion to another, wierd) and use the 'stewardship' frame as much as possible.

Jun 16, 2015 at 9:06 PM | Registered Commentershub

I lost the will to live, long before I got anywhere near the bottom of the Pope's verbiage, but this bit

"In questa Enciclica, mi propongo specialmente di entrare in dialogo con tutti riguardo alla nostra casa comune

("in this Encyclical, I particularly intend to enter a dialogue with everybody, regarding our common home.")

did strike me. Is the Pope seriously saying that all (tutti) parties are welcome to the "dialogue"?

That would be a first.

Jun 16, 2015 at 9:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterOwen Morgan

I just visited the papa;l encyclical site and there was no such encyclical. There is one due on the 18th June.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:43 PM | Unregistered Commenterdiogenes

diogenes, the Pope has a leak.

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:19 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/15/pope-francis-destruction-ecosystem-leaked-encyclical

Better pray the Guardian got it wrong...

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterKuhnKat

My first reaction on hearing that the pope was going to do AGW was: "Wel, he obviously believes in one fairy story already, why not two?"

Jun 17, 2015 at 1:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterJimmy Haigh

Charlie,

Well, true Christopher Monckton has done well from his antics and Willard Tony too.

Jun 17, 2015 at 4:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterEli Rabett

:-) Of course the encyclical calls for increased solar subsidies
............................. remember solar and electric car tycoon Delorean Musk owned Papal aswell.

...or ...more profits from Papal for him.

Jun 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Whose richer the Catholic Church or the Jews.
The Catholic Church is doing a usual Robin Hood PR exercise to "fight Climate Change" blah blah yawn.

The Real Estate Churches Monasteries vineyards the Bank Accounts the Investments and the greatest list of Medieval Artifacts in the World .The Catholics Church we are talking Bill Gates Warren Buffet Marc Zuckerberg Multi Billion Dollar money.

The Catholic Church is just another Multi National Corporation doing another Environmentalist PR exercise .An organization run by shadowy accountants who eventually get found hanged from Blackfriars Bridge.

Jun 17, 2015 at 9:27 AM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

BBC radio prog/podcast The Pope and Climate Change
"Should the Pope speak out on climate change or stick to theology? "
* The prog World Have Your Say has a very poor reputation for stirring & distortion so I haven't listened

Jun 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Message to His Pontificateness : On Yer Encyclical.

Jun 17, 2015 at 1:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterMuon

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