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Monday
Apr132015

The headline and the detail

A headline at lefty smear site DeSmog:

Two funders of Lord Lawson's climate denial charity linked to energy industry.

The funders concerned are Lord Cavendish and Bryan Bateman. Their energy industry links are detailed later in the article. Lord Cavendish:

...recalls being the first person in Britain to build wind farms.

while Bateman is

a former engineer working on nuclear power stations.

So those links are to the low-carbon energy industry then.

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Reader Comments (31)

Ecotricity 'bribes' the Green Party, which receives a £40 'donation' from Ecotricity for every new customer and £60 for business sign-ups.

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/donate/ethical-partnerships/

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Public

My family money is from the energy industry.

Well, actually, my Dad worked for the CEGB as an engineer until he retired. When he sold his house (paid for with his dirty energy wages) he got £45,000 for it of which I got £5000.

I guess I am now forever tainted and should not give any money to the GWPF

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

TerryS, similar story only I'm more tainted because I worked for the PowerGen for a few summers as a student as well.

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

"recalls being the first person in Britain to build wind farms."

So, who's side are the GWPF on exactly ?

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

Dale Vince has become wealthy out of Ecotricity, and donates to good Green causes. How successful would his business have been without tax payer funding, and changes in Government legislation? Maybe his profits should be taxed at 97%, it is a popular number after all.

Apr 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

Why should the GWPF be on any particular 'side'?

Apr 13, 2015 at 12:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

Back in year1952, at age 11, I helped my Dad, back from the War in the Pacific, to build a solar hot water rooftop system to plans from CSIRO.
Does this make me impure?
BTW, although the location was the hot tropics at Townsville,, it did not work well enough in winter so we quickly added an electric immersion heater. The storage tank was insulated with strips cut from ex-military greatcoats, some I can also claim to have profited from the proceeds of war.
Some of us are really bad buggers.

Apr 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterGeoff Sherrington

ah "Top Denier @GeoffSherrington linked to Denial website BH is going around bad mouthing the solar industry" says Desmog Blog

Apr 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

When you throwing mud in the hope some of it will stick , you do not check what type of mud it is.
And hear you dealing with people that regard 'faith 'has more important that truth has a means to judge the value of evdainced .

Apr 13, 2015 at 12:55 PM | Unregistered Commenterknr

Brendan has form as the Bishop has previously shown.

Apr 13, 2015 at 1:02 PM | Unregistered Commentermike fowle

Debate just started on Facebook : Scrap the Climate Change Act

Ben Pile Researcher and writer Ben Pile says the CCA is the worst example of how politicians have distanced government from democracy
As part of our Election 2015 State of the Nation debates, The Institute of Ideas has asked a variety of commentators to suggest the one law or policy - existing or proposed - they would like to scrap.
We'll be adding a new contribution to the debate every day for the rest of the election campaign.
...Have your say on each of the suggestions to date via our Facebook page.
Ben's Intro

Apr 13, 2015 at 1:21 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

...the sleaze factor of the cliamte obsessed is amazing. If it wasn't for inaccurate ad hom arguments, would the cliamte hypesters have any arguments at all?
Big Oil funds much of the climate hype industry, for starters, not to mention the Big Green.
In a way the sleaze factor is just as notable as their stuck on stupid factor: They trot out this tired inaccurate and deceptive argument no matter how often it is shot down. It is like the climate obsessed actually have almost no arguments at all, and so can't get past the ad hominum. If they were forced to discard it, people might actually see what they do not have.

Apr 13, 2015 at 1:36 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Does the Smog Blog still exist?? I thought they had collapsed in disgrace and irrelevance after their attempts to defend Peter Gleick's misdeeds....

Apr 13, 2015 at 1:54 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

How sad that some lefties regard any connection with "industry" as a smear. Time for proper lefties to kick out these numpties.

Apr 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikky

> How sad that some lefties regard any connection with "industry" "work" as a smear.

Fixed it for you.

Anybody who works for a living, enjoys their work and has risen to a role of responsibility is considered by many lefties to be profiteering from the sweat of the working man. They have no soul, put profit above anything else and evade/avoid paying their fair share of tax. Their sole role in life is to pay ever increasing amounts of tax and never complain about it because their opinion doesn't count unless it happens to coincide with theirs.

Apr 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

Smear site DeSmogBlog has been exposed by Pop Tech.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html

Quote: DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre.

Apr 13, 2015 at 2:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterJack Cowper

It's DeSmogBlog, fer Chrissake!

Apr 13, 2015 at 4:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterOswald Thake

"So those links are to the low-carbon energy industry then."

That's an example of British understatement and studied wit. You people don't know how to debate fanatics in a broken intellectual atmosphere, which is what we are dealing with (I remind you, I have known them as the Insane Left since the advent of Obama, and called them such, here and elsewhere). You've been brought up on too many speeches in Parliament, with its "lively debates"--meh (that means the same as the French "merde"). You're not going to win them over, and you're not going to defeat them by rapier wit and charm. The system is broken and you are in a war, that you have just about lost already. You have to go for the throat (and no, that's not what you've done by referring to the "low-carbon energy industry"--what are you, a damned bureaucrat, spouting governmental boiler-plate?). Call a spade a spade, and a shovelful of merde by its proper name. Make your point a thrust to the vitals, not a studied aside in between polite quaffs of tea (with your pinkie fingers held up off your keyboard as you wrote the above, no doubt). Now I bet you're mad at me, instead of them as you should be....

Apr 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Dale Huffman

"Anybody who works for a living, enjoys their work and has risen to a role of responsibility is considered by many lefties to be profiteering from the sweat of the working man..." --TerryS

The ultragreen don't mind work at all. They could sit and watch you do it for years. It's the creation of wealth that they don't own that they consider evil.

"...between polite quaffs of tea (with your pinkie fingers held up off your keyboard as you wrote the above, no doubt)..." --Harry Dale Huffman

That pinkie finger is actually a judo weapon developed in WWII and intended to poke anyone in the eye who reaches for your crumpet.

Apr 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

We can't get mad yet Harry, it's nearly afternoon tea time. I believe there are scones today!

Apr 13, 2015 at 6:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterIvor Ward

Harry

"with your pinkie fingers held up off your keyboard"

I use mine to type with, I'm afraid (and all the others). Does that make me terribly non-U?

Apr 13, 2015 at 6:48 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Is the reason for hilding the pinkie finger up because that's the one with the bogey on it?

Harry, you have to stop trying to turn us into a fighting machine. It's a fine British tradition to laugh at the enemy until they expire of frustration. Most of the world's troubles are caused by people failing to see the funny side of life.

Apr 13, 2015 at 7:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Dale Vince has become wealthy out of Ecotricity, and donates to good Green causes. How successful would his business have been without tax payer funding, and changes in Government legislation? Maybe his profits should be taxed at 97%, it is a popular number after all.

Dale Vince, just another pompous arse and is a careless, cavalier bloodsucking leech of extraordinary quantity of taxpayer funding. Vince, he should not really exist, that he does, is down to an astonishing act of domestic betrayal on behalf of the corporate elite a deed done by Westminster: named the CCA2008. Vince crows and he rubs it in and spouts his crass self opinionated tripe as some sort of green guru, he is extracting the urine in the extreme [we will remember lad]. But then, isn't that the way with these self anointed green taxpayer funded millionaires? They're just full of the pious green s&%7 and that idiot site desmog - gives these loons a platform but the joke will be wrought on them.

May 7 will be the start, but it will take until 2020 to properly rid the country of the green scourge, then, the revenge will be terrible and exacting for the likes of the green blob, who had better take notice. In the interim, a bit of humble silence would not go amiss.

Apr 13, 2015 at 8:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

Lord Cavenish gets high marks for vertical integration, as some few of his wind farms are on top of his family's coal mines.

Apr 13, 2015 at 8:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

Hahahahahaha!

Desmogblog discussing dirty sources of money while their chief benefactor,

"A former president and co-founder [John Lefebvre] of payment processor NETeller pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a conspiracy charge related to handling billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds."

Apr 13, 2015 at 10:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterWijnand

H/t Jack Cowper

Apr 13, 2015 at 10:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterWijnand

Harry Dale Huffman, who can be persuaded?

Not the passionate true believers - they are fanatical. Check the Guardian environment pages for examples.

But the mildly curious? Yes, they can be educated. And then they may agree with us.
But not by ranting and scorn.
They can only be lured into learning by humour and warmth and text that is a joy to read.

Understatement is a good thing.

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:08 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

Wijnand

"their chief benefactor"

I assume you've mentioned this to them, but they have declined to publish your comment..?

Apr 13, 2015 at 11:27 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Again, I ask....when is it my turn to cash in on the Big Oil largesse?

Apr 14, 2015 at 7:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Hozack

> Dale Vince has become wealthy out of Ecotricity, and donates to good Green causes.

Ecotricity had a turnover of £70 million, making a gross profit of £29 million.

Out of this they gave the following to charities:

Green Britain Foundation: £62,100
Sustainability in Sport: £8,455

By coincidence, Dale Vince happens to be a trustee of both charities.

They also made a £20k .donation to the Green Party

Apr 14, 2015 at 8:58 AM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

Athelstan.
I didn't think Mr Vince was that decent, you have a much higher opinion of him than I.

Apr 14, 2015 at 6:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

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