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Thursday
Mar052015

Quote of the day, witchhunt edition

Mr. Grijalva’s letters convey an unstated but perfectly clear threat: Research disputing alarm over the climate should cease lest universities that employ such individuals incur massive inconvenience and expense—and scientists holding such views should not offer testimony to Congress. After the Times article, Sens. Edward Markey (D., Mass.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D., R.I.) and Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) also sent letters to numerous energy companies, industrial organizations and, strangely, many right-of-center think tanks (including the Cato Institute, with which I have an association) to unearth their alleged influence peddling.

Richard Lindzen in the Wall Street journal

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Reader Comments (32)

What strikes me as weird is the number of politicians and people of supposedly higher than average intelligence who are worried about the influence of fossil fuels and industry lobbies but are completely blind to green lobbies having uncontested access. If it is impossible to remove all influence then I'd rather one side was balanced by the other, rather than one side is essentually banned and the other is even encouraged.

Universities beware, there is far more dirt to be dug up on green fingers in the academic pie than industry ones.

Mar 5, 2015 at 11:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

I predict stormy times ahead in climate science alarmist funding. After the damaging storm, there may be some rays of sunshine, with scattered showers of torrential abuse, and overcast depressions.

In the scientific post mortems, alarmists will still be in denial, about their part in their own downfall.

Mar 5, 2015 at 11:53 AM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

The problem with this Orwellian 1984 Groupthink/speak tactic is that when the veneer finally falls away, the the lies & deceit & outright stupidity is exposed, they will look ridiculous, & hopefull be seen as what they truly are! I am amazed such actions are tolerated especially in the greatest free-enterprise country in the world that gave so much for the freedom of others for that world!!! This is a very dangerous tactic!

Mar 5, 2015 at 11:53 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

Was there a Khan that built pyramids from the skulls of unbelievers?

Mar 5, 2015 at 11:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterTony Hansen

Grijalva demonstrates the true superiority of the pen over the sword, in friendly fire casualties.

Mar 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

While I agree that, Eventually, this will all out and many millions of people world-wide will be disillusioned.... those same millions of people world-wide are right now working (out of Fear of the weather) to make sure that our politicians do as much damage as possible, NOW. Not to mention there will likely be several Large eco-terrorist disasters. The Unabomber was just one person; imagine 10,000 like him.

Mar 5, 2015 at 12:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterOtter (ClimateOtter on Twitter)

If irony had mass, Richard's Op-ed would have an event horizon.

Mar 5, 2015 at 12:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

Burn the heretics!

Mar 5, 2015 at 12:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

Something that surprised me when I read the Booker/North book Scared to Death http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scared-Death-Global-Warming-Costing/dp/0826486142/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425557704&sr=1-1&keywords=scared+to+death ,Was how quickly the scares were forgotten about once the news media had ceased to report on them. I had lived through many of the scares covered in the book and yet I had forgotten all about them until reading about them in the book and being reminded. A recurring theme in the book was the harm done by the government trying to fix things, things that in most cases weren't even broken.

This isn't going to happen with the CO2 scare though is it? The amount of money spent on it so far is literally astronomical, the damage done by misguided government policies collossal and there are so many advocates that are up to their necks in the whole thing. They aren't going to be able to just stop talking about this particular scare and hope that everybody just forgets about it and moves onto the next one, it has gone on for just too long. The kind of tactics now being used by the alarmists seem to indicate that it is gradually dawning on them that the game is up. I wonder if there will be a tipping point that initiates a race to switch sides and claim to have been one of the first to blow the whistle.

Mar 5, 2015 at 12:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterStonyground

" This isn't going to happen with the CO2 scare though is it? The amount of
money spent on it so far is literally astronomical,"

Most definitely, I have just been though a pretty random national park in Sri Lanka and there were park officers with there full on dept of ..... and climate change t-shirts and matching liveried pickup truck. This is similar to loads of other parts of the world I have been.

Back to Dick Lindzen's quote.... my Meteorology Phd was actually closely related to the mid latitude research he did in the eighties. His papers actually stood out massively as they actually were written in English. 95% of the papers in JAS (journal of atmospheric sciences) were absolute gibberish and all of them pretty much just were describing GCM model output.

Mar 5, 2015 at 2:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterRob Burton

Andrew, I think there might be a problem with the site, I'm getting page not founds and comments black holing. Perhaps this comment might get thru ...

Pointman

Mar 5, 2015 at 3:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

Looks like it's got over its attack of the vapours.

Unlike the alarmists, our heroes are not insubstantial paper men, origami figures fashioned by nothing more than lies and propaganda. Our ones have been tested in a red-hot furnace of hate, scorn and betrayal and survived it on nothing more than their own individual brand of courage. We can count ourselves lucky to have people of such calibre positioned anywhere over that line called climate scepticism.

https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/i-may-have-signed-my-actual-death-warrant/

Pointman

Mar 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

US politicians are seeking to ban people finding out, about the the troughs of money that find their way into the bank accounts of US politicians.

This is strange, because they all claim to do their job, because they love their country.

In the UK, some politicians make no secret of hating the UK, as they rake in the money, from the UK, and other parts of the world.

Mar 5, 2015 at 3:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

I've given some thought to how the climate alarmism climb-down will evolve.

It's possible that it will follow the path of support for East Germany before and after the fall of the Berlin Wall. I have observed over and over how people who previously enthusiastically supported the GDR changed their tune after the wall came down, 'disappearing' their former support with voluminous words about how they cheered when the wall came down and how they were always critics of the GDR. Perhaps they even came to believe it (but there is more than enough documentary evidence to prove them wrong).

The question, though, is what climate event(s) will serve the function of the fall of the Berlin Wall? Or will things just gradually taper off as other hot passions take over (war, epidemics, alien life discovery, or yet another manufactured crisis)?

Mar 5, 2015 at 4:04 PM | Unregistered Commenterfortunatecookie

If irony had mass, Richard's Op-ed would have an event horizon.
Or as you said over at WUWT
It’s a good thing irony doesn’t have mass, or Monckton’s defense of Soon would have an event horizon .
FFS be original, Seitz.
Troll!

Mar 5, 2015 at 6:52 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Alan the Brit says:
The problem with this Orwellian 1984 Groupthink/speak tactic is that when the veneer finally falls away, the the lies & deceit & outright stupidity is exposed, they will look ridiculous, & hopefull be seen as what they truly are!

Exactly. That's why this whole AGW thing is ultimately a gift - straight from the forces of Mordor. If the earth has indeed been cooling for the last decade, and there are clear signs of this, then these people are painting themselves into a tight little corner from which there's no escape. That's also why I think this thing may actually collapse in a gale of laughter; we may even be close to that now - despite the enormous momentum. Which is not to be complacent about the whole business. Some serious post mortem analysis will be in order.

Mar 5, 2015 at 6:55 PM | Unregistered Commenterrw

Scares don't get repealed. They are just not mentioned any more, and people forget. The laws and regulations that they spawned remain. The goal of the alarmists, or at least their agenda, is achieved. The alarmists will have a new scare before this one has burned out. It may even be cooling, as soon as they find a way to blame western civilization.

Do I seem cynical? I remember acid rain and the ozone hole.

Mar 5, 2015 at 7:02 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

Mike Jackson, russell is a Green, and therefore thinks that if he keeps shouting the same stuff, over and over again, using different words, somebody might believe him.

Maybe Ken told him that, along with Daimon. It is like a theoretical model of a conspiracy.

Mar 5, 2015 at 7:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

It is amazing how Malthusians are happy to see others die of disease, starvation and thirst, to benefit their own grandchildren.

Selfish Gene Theory anyone?

Mar 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

The money flushed away on climate hype could have cured coal soot, sent humans back to Moon and to Mars, built dozens of safe nuclear power plants, given tens of millions of people clean drinking water, and probably much more.
The climate detour away from rational policy making and effective public spending has had huge opportunity costs to us all.

Mar 5, 2015 at 8:44 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

hunter, but it keeps the Greens happy, and that is all they care about.

Mar 5, 2015 at 9:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

Golf Charlie,

No surprises there, given the direct chain from Malthus to the eugenics consensus and on to the racial purity insanity of the 1930s.

Mar 5, 2015 at 9:54 PM | Registered Commenterflaxdoctor

SayNoToFearmongers
Malthusians like genocide, provided they don't get their hands dirty, or get caught admitting it.

Mar 5, 2015 at 10:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

"Some serious post mortem analysis will be in order." --rw

Especially in the area of MSM silence as the IPCC and other tried to force neo-Stalinist Lysenkoism upon the entire world.

Mar 5, 2015 at 11:44 PM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

rhoda, I found this today:

“One of the things emerging from several lines is that the IPCC has not paid enough attention to natural variability, on several time scales.”

- Kevin Trenberth

also

'The response to the warming slowdown is a perfect example'

as in, the response of climate scientists to the pause is a 'perfect example' of how science works.'

Next, get ready to be blamed as a denier for not predicting the pause.

Mar 6, 2015 at 2:19 AM | Registered Commentershub

It is like a theoretical model of a conspiracy.
Golf Charlie
Also kin to the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
(Though of course in the world of climatology and eco-mania, you can do the same thing over again and get a different result; you just claim the first result was wrong. Since chances are nobody knows what your data were in the first place — assuming you actually had any — they can't dispute it!)

Mar 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Grijalva and the other bullies are God's gift to the skeptic movement.

All but the most committed see a hate-filled effort to see someone ultimately hounded out of his job, and it triggers an instinctive fearful response as though they, not Soon, were the intended victim.

Grijalva, like McCarthy before him, becomes an object of general loathing.

Mar 6, 2015 at 11:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterRick Bradford

Mike Jackson, ATTP's also has expert knowledge on theoretical modelling of planets.

Presumably theoretical model planets don''t have theoretical Little Green Men, who point out the problems with the theory behind the theoretical planet, and the models.

Of course, ATTP may have taken this into account, and he can change the behaviour of the LGM's, with the click of a mouse, so they match the theory better, of the theoretical model planet.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...........

Mar 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

Well Shub I don't know about you but a few of us predicted the pause/plateau, cooling period after it and another warming period after that.

Mar 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

I have said before there is a simple way to deal with this, the politicians in question should be reported to the Senate authorities, their party chairs and the police for disreputable conduct, abuse of authority and misconduct and/or misfeasance in a public office and harassment. I don't know why Richard Lindzen et al don't use the legal remedies available to them.

Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterGladiatrix

I see that quote : “One of the things emerging from several lines is that the IPCC has not paid enough attention to natural variability, on several time scales.” from Trenberth now

In fact it was Trenberth himself who was in foremost in dismissing the effect of PDO for the IPCC reports. What utter gall the man has!

Mar 6, 2015 at 12:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

James G, what Trenberth once said, to improve his earning potential, is only valid, until something else, sounds better. Why should climate science be complicated with reality?

Mar 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterGolf Charlie

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