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Thursday
Oct082015

The perils of delegation

As a follow up to the last posting, consider this excerpt from the Guardian article by Client Earth director James Thornton (pictured above on a long-haul holiday):

The most obvious liabilities for companies and their directors relate to physical loss or damage. The residents of Tuvalu in the Pacific and Kivalina in Alaska, whose homes are disappearing beneath rising waters, have both threatened challenges against polluters.

Follow the Tuvalu link to its source and you find a national Geographic Article entitled:

Will Pacific Island Nations Disappear as Seas Rise? Maybe Not

and which contains this:

Some islands grew by as much as 14 acres (5.6 hectares) in a single decade, and Tuvalu's main atoll, Funafuti—33 islands distributed around the rim of a large lagoon—has gained 75 acres (32 hectares) of land during the past 115 years.

I wonder if Mr Thornton wrote the article himself?

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Reader Comments (42)

as an emitter of CO2, I shall send an invoice to Tuvalu for those 75 acres I have helped them gain.

Oct 8, 2015 at 3:10 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

"The science linking extreme weather and climate change is gathering strength and many more such cases will surely follow."

This follows the Wet Office root of "no single weather event can be attributed to Climate Change, but yes, this is the sort of event we expect to see more of!" It's oh so easy to write this stuff, one just makes up enough scarey stories & eventually one day, one of them miht come true. I am amazed they still bang on about Hurricance Katrina as I thought that particular gem had been debunked ages ago! The damage caused bore little relation to it's power as a storm, but more to poor maintenance of infrastructure, which is something completely different, & most of New Orleans being below sea level!

Oct 8, 2015 at 3:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

Wow, island inflation.

First Tuvalu, then Threevalu then............

(With apologies to Victor Borge)

Oct 8, 2015 at 3:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterNCC 1701E

Kivalina in Alaska is on coastal islands that are inherently unstable. 100 yrs ago the Inuit would only camp there temporarily while hunting. The US government decided it was a swell place to make them settle down and put their village of actual houses. Now the island is washing away, but not due to sea level rise. It would only be fair to make the government pay to relocate them, since it forced them to be located there, but oil companies had nothing to do with it.

Oct 8, 2015 at 4:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterCraig

If only all Grauniad environmental reporting was as accurate as this.

Grauniad readers should sue the Grauniad for causing unnecessary stress, and corrupting child like minds.

Oct 8, 2015 at 4:27 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

I found this delightful irony on the Wiki entry for Tuvalu

Due to the country's remoteness, tourism is not significant. [...] Ecotourism is a motivation of travellers to Tuvalu.

I'll bet not many of the ecotourists sailed to Tuvalu, so that's a whacking big carbon footprint just for those precious ecotourists to even get there. Standard stuff among the class of people who want to keep the world pristine, but only so they can enjoy it without being troubled by us ugly proles.

I also learned that although one of the not-rich countries of the world

Tuvalu had met targets so that Tuvalu was to graduate from LDC (least developed country) status.

But, but,
In 2013 Tuvalu deferred its graduation from LDC status to a developing country to 2015.

The reason?

"Once Tuvalu graduates to a developed country [said Prime Minister Enele Sopoaga], it will not be considered for funding assistance for climate change adaptation programmes like NAPA, which only goes to LDCs".

So it's free money, all the way down. And all the way back up again. I guess many others would probably do the same: If the rules don't suit, then find a political way to bend the rules.

Oct 8, 2015 at 4:40 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

michael hart, a lucrative industry in the islands, will be shed builders, building sheds at low tide, so ecotourists can film them falling into the water 6 hours later.

With a bit of floating shed, papier mache, white paint, and a stuffed polar bear cub, Guardian journalists will be able to write two stories for the price of one return air-ticket, without missing out on any of the luxuries of a well presented tropical lsland paradise.

Oct 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

This looks a bit out of date, too.. :-)

Oct 8, 2015 at 5:32 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

GC,

cargo cults return.

Oct 8, 2015 at 5:48 PM | Unregistered Commenterjferguson

You don't get it: reality has nothing to do with the demands and tactics the climate kooks are pursuing and successfully implementing.

Oct 8, 2015 at 5:53 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

GC, they could always do what they did in Seattle: build a load of floating house boats/sheds. Then they could fly in Meg Ryan and make a rom-com movie "Sleepless in Tuvalu".

Oct 8, 2015 at 6:20 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Must be a result of a catastrophic coral bleaching, google Roger Harrabin.

Oct 8, 2015 at 6:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterCurious George

August 2007 Manifesto for a start up Pan European law practice:

http://www.clientearth.org/images/stories/CE_pdfs/clientearth_activist_lawyers_eu.pdf

Oct 8, 2015 at 6:55 PM | Unregistered Commenternot banned yet

When the much to be wished for People's Encyclopaedia of the Great CO2 Scare is eventually constructed by good folks around the world, the entries under Climate Clowns will surely have room for a footnote on Mr Thornton.

Oct 8, 2015 at 6:56 PM | Registered CommenterJohn Shade

michael hart, the rich and needy of more money, are having sleepness nights worrying how they can get more money for nothing.

In the latest fraud and corruption news, FIFA 2 IPCC 1. Don't miss more breathtaking own goals, before the showstopping Paris finale.

Oct 8, 2015 at 7:05 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

GC, they'll be in Dire Straits in Paris, but working hard on getting their money for nothing and chicks for free.

Oct 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

The dangerous part of this is pretty clearly on the horizon: Insane judgments of incredible damage awards against productive innocent producers.

Oct 8, 2015 at 8:55 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Guardian standards of journalism would sink beneath a falling sea level, to be gladly missed.

Oct 8, 2015 at 9:59 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

He seems like a liar through ignorance. I'm sure he means well ... not.

Oct 8, 2015 at 10:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterBilly Liar

He seems like a liar through ignorance. I'm sure he means well ... not." --Billy Liar

It's hard to say. Warmists' ignorance and stupidity are exceeded only by their venality.

Oct 9, 2015 at 1:03 AM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

Climate hysterics seem to be morbidly attracted to glacier calving, a perfectly natural spectacle.
Could it be that they luxuriate in the catastrophes that the process supposedly portends?

Oct 9, 2015 at 1:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterChris Hanley

Well it's lucky we have informed, impartial judges rather than senile old gits :)

Oct 9, 2015 at 8:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

Despite of, no, because of, rising seas,
Darwin says, the coral atoll grows.
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~clerger/Darwin.html

Oct 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM | Unregistered CommenterBeth Cooper

MH: in your mention of the Paris brothers in arms, surely your mis-spelt – they want to get their cheques for free.

Oct 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

When Tuvalu disappears with climate Change that's one less off shore Tax Haven and Money Laundering operation

But with the Pacific Tectonic plate being forced up by the Indian Ocean Tectonic plate causing the land level to rise out the sea that wont be happening anytime soon

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/content/do-you-account-plate-tectonics-global-mean-sea-level-trend

https://justicefortaxesnetwork.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/jtns-comprehensive-list-of-all-the-tax-havens-in-the-world/

Oct 9, 2015 at 10:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamspid

RR, I had Mr Pachauri in mind when I wrote that.

Oct 9, 2015 at 11:18 AM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

senile old gits :)

Oct 9, 2015 at 8:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

On my own behalf (I am 70) and all other potential "Senile Old Gits" I object to the use of this terminology. Peter Walsh, Dublin.

Oct 9, 2015 at 11:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Walsh

Tuvalu disappearing through climate change is a myth that was being actively promoted a few years ago.

Like the other scaremongering myths that were debunked, it held the spotlight for a few months and then dropped from view. Note that there's never any acceptance that the myths were baseless, they just aren't pushed so hard and live on as lesser myths, to be wheeled out as self-evident facts but not defended.

Thornton regurgitating it is something along the lines of propaganda; say something often enough, with confidence and it creates a background of assumption.

"Threatening action against polluters" sounds pretty good, but doesn't necessarily amount to anything of substance. Put in the context of a government which held a session underwater in SCUBA gear as a PR stunt, it's easily seen as more of the same; trying to con money from the gullible for their supposed plight.

Oct 9, 2015 at 12:31 PM | Unregistered Commentercosmic

Peter Walsh
Are you a judge? If not, then it was not directed at you. If so, then have a good look around you.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/01/the_oldest_bench_ever.html
http://traditionalbritain.org/blog/judges-against-british-people-david-hamilton/

Oct 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

James is not just an environmental lawyer

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v09n1/09143hri.html

He has been involved with the Heffter institute for psychedelic research as well as his books on transcendental meditations.

He is a nice guy, but like all lawyers, he fights his clients corner. He probably Believes in Climate Change.

I fear for people like him when environmentalism becomes as welcome as a wet fart.

They are endangered species.

Oct 9, 2015 at 12:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterLeo Smith

It is sometime back, years perhaps, but I remember the title of Environmental Lawyer being described as an oxymoron.

Oct 9, 2015 at 1:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Walsh

Of course Tuvalu did discover there was money to made out of the .tv domain suffix. They went a bit quiet after that, if I recall.

Oct 9, 2015 at 1:24 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

Tuvalu, and other islands believe they have been promised money from jumping up and down about global warming. It will be like striking oil, which is probably what they would have preferred.

Oct 9, 2015 at 2:27 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Peter Walsh 1.14pm
I thought the oxymoron was "Government Intelligence."

Oct 9, 2015 at 3:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Peter Walsh & Messenger oxymorons

Climate Science Expert?

Oct 9, 2015 at 3:44 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

re
Peter Walsh 1.14pm
I thought the oxymoron was "Government Intelligence."

Oct 9, 2015 at 3:05 PM | Unregistered

Hi Messenger...agree but try googling Bishop Hill blog for all uses of oxymoron

Oct 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Walsh

@michael hart Oct 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM

GC, they'll be in Dire Straits in Paris, but working hard on getting their money for nothing and chicks for free.

Has Dominique Strauss-Kahn been invited? The free chicks and cheques should ensure his attendance. Representing who though: Russia, Serbia or South Sudan - three wonderul, democratic, peaceful countries well known for their acceptance and tolerance of Greenies and other weridos.

OT somehow the free chicks poisoned my mind and made it think of Russel Brand. Then, to escape from that horror I devised a new Big Brother show: Russel Brand, Jo Brand and Frankie Boyle in Lefty Commedian (alledgedly) Big Brother One Year living together. Every week there will be a vote for who else should join them. On the short-list are Sandy Toksvig, Stephen Fry, Hugh Grant and Camilla Batmansponger

Oct 9, 2015 at 8:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterPcar

Pcar, I think that cast list for Big Brother could end up with a public fight to keep them all in.

Oct 9, 2015 at 11:22 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"threatened challenges against polluters
polluters?
They need to be sent mirrors. Therein they can see polluters.

Kivalina was discussed 2 years ago by Willis Eschenbach.
Nice graphics and 106 comments.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/09/breaking-news-seventh-first-climate-refugees-discovered/

Oct 10, 2015 at 3:14 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn F. Hultquist

So, Tuvalu is actually growing?!

I should have known. Standard for all eco-propanganda. It has to be not only bollocks, but super-bollocks.

Oct 10, 2015 at 2:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterUncle Gus

Congratulations, cosmic.

I have never before heard such a cogent and accurate description of the workings of eco-PR.

"...they just aren't pushed so hard and live on as lesser myths, to be wheeled out as self-evident facts but not defended."

Exactly so.

Oct 10, 2015 at 3:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterUncle Gus

Everyone in a position to influence anyone else is lying now-a-days. Mostly. On the right it has always been thus.

Cameron and his lies about Corbyn at the Tory conference and then repeatedly broadcast on state and independent media.

Cooks spew regurgitated by an American President.

Surely we are in the end times? The big lie oft repeated.

Some say this is only aimed at the dumb (floating) voter but if I were 17 right now I would look around me and see - teachers, doctors, policemen, lawyers, politicians ALL lying through their eye teeth about important subjects and think "What examples of modern morality. Why should I be any different?"

Sad, sad times.

Maybe the only way to fight this is to lie harder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u5uWyHJ5A4

Oct 11, 2015 at 10:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterHenry Galt

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