Bishop Hill COP this
Oct 25, 2015 I was reading Donna Laframboise the other day on the expected arrival of 40,000 delegates to the COP 21 conference to be held at the incongruously chosen venue of the private jet airport of le Bourget. I remembered seeing a breakdown of the horrendous costs of the Copenhagen conference and I idly wondered what the estimated costs are to be this time. Private finance has been sought apparently but there doesn't seem to much on offer anyway. What investors might expect to get out of it, I have no idea. Surely COP doesn't make a profit to be distributed to investors? Or does it?
But French taxpayers will be delighted to know the following:
€187 million budget
With a provisional budget of €187 million, the Paris climate conference will host some 40,000 delegates between 30 November and 11 December 2015.
The French government had initially hoped to fund the event with public money, and had estimated its cost at €179 million over three years in its 2015 budget bill.
The cost is divided between preparation for COP 21, follow-up activities (estimated at €20.5 million), hosting foreign delegations (€7.5 million) and practical organisation. This last category, at an estimated €151 million, is the most expensive, and includes the cost of renting and furnishing the Bourget conference centre, implementing security measures, and providing local transport...
...The French government finally agreed to call on the private sector to bankroll the climate conference to the tune of 20%, or around €40 million.
Local transport?- Bicycles or a brisk walk surely? TM
Bishop Hill
[Yes, I know it's Wiki, but....]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris%E2%80%93Le_Bourget_Airport#History
"In 1977, Le Bourget was closed to international airline traffic and in 1980 to regional airline traffic, but remains serving both domestic and international business aviation."
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"Moreover, by entertaining, impressing, and domesticating them with extravagant luxury and other distractions, Louis [XIV] not only cultivated public opinion of him, but also ensured the aristocracy remained under his scrutiny."[...]
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[1] Wikipedia: Louis XIV
Given the current state of the French economy I would have thought there were a few better things they could be doing with my money.
There must be some group of trade unionists we could get to picket the place, surely!
I hope Monsieur Météo makes regular appearances / statements during the COP21 farce.
The 'ollande administration's campaign of fawning / sucking up to the Green Blob should not be given a free ride.
If there is any public dissent though - I expect it *not* to be covered by the usual suspects I hope the dihydrogen monoxide pranksters are ready to phonecam the halfwits and shysters jetting in from across the planet to orchestrate green banditry.
It rather looks like NASA are going to sit on OCO2 data past the conference (or dump a last minute handily skewed interpretation....) - which rather indicates that COP21 isn't about evidence and honesty - it's a gathering of the faithful - an eco-haj.
I AM A FRENCH TAXPAYER !!! but sans faire rien. The socialists are wasting far more money than this on other green projects. The COP is to boost Hollande's ratings which, as I'm sure you know, are dans le cellier. My tax each year amounts to about 4000€ in direct tax which is nothing compared to the employment taxes , some of which were imposed some time ago others being introduced by Hollande to "boost" employment. How the eff you boost employment by imposing higher taxes only the socialists can tell us.
Zat ees onnly €4,675 per delegat. Nourriture pour volaille.
You can tell that they can see the end is in sight, when they start blowing the budget on everything they can think of...
@Stephen Richards
.... How the eff you boost employment by imposing higher taxes only the socialists can tell us....
Your taxes go to keep an army of bureaucrats in work, and a slightly smaller number of activists who live off central grants.
These poor people are unemployable in any other business, and so you can see your taxes as a generous charitable donation to maintain a breed of useless layabouts who might otherwise become extinct...
The socialists are having a wonderful time in Brittany. We have several new dual carriageways that have no traffic and go from nowhere to nowhere else. New railway station and HS track. New agricultural college. The industrial estate in our town is now derelict and looks worse than Chernobyl and on the 19/20 news every night there is another commercial factory closing. The main street has mostly empty shops which were all occupied when we came here ten years ago. So socialism is alive and well. You should see the flower baskets! Don't think they can keep it up forever....or can they? What is the odd €183 million against such success.
Couldn't they save a lot of money by disconnecting all electricity and heating fuel from the venues?
This would then be a marvellous opportunity for the delegates to demonstrate that heating and electricity are not required even in northern Europe in winter, and that the serious business of arguing about who is going to pay for this party, and the next one, are not the most important items on the agenda.
It would be so sad if the delegates and the viewing public realised that the rest of the world does not care to pay for their hotel bills, let alone $100 billion per year. If the delegates are being paid to save the world, couldn't they forego some pomp and luxury, to set a good example?
Edward Lewis: 6 nights at $300 is $1800
Vivian: You want days too.
Edward Lewis: $2000
Vivian: $3000
Edward Lewis: Done.
Julia Roberts seems a bargain!
They have promised $100, 000, 000, 000 per year from the rest of the world. With 40, 000 delegates, that is only $2, 500, 000 per delegate, per year.
Where is their problem in paying for their own luxury hotels and Parisian gourmet cuisine, to make promises on behalf of the rest of the world, that they can't keep?
Or have I got decimal points in the wrong place, a bit like climate scientists in calculating the size of the problem that never needed to be thought about?
Hmmm!
COP 21 to be held at the private jet airport of le Bourget.
I suspect that aforesaid Airport being Private has a single large main electrical substation supplying its power needs.
So a couple of days to allow the assembled troughers and assorted green blog luvvies to get into the swing of things and then some "despicable" prankster might even get to thinking about tossing a very large lump of cable over the substation's perimeter fence, aiming it to land on a few of the main fast reaction switches.
A potentially very Big Ka-boom! along with assorted a-donna and a-blitzen or whatever!
Missing! Large parts of the hypothesized le Bourget substation which will likely take a month or so to replace.
Gained!
A vital lesson learned by all those troughers and the assorted western coal hating, green blog luvvies and renewable energy cultists that their play time let alone their living standards and even their very lives might well depend entirely on a steady, continuous and utterly reliable supply of uninterrupted electrical power.
Consequences!
A very miserable time in Paris in the early winter for the climate troughers and green blog luvvies of whom a very small percentage just might just get the message that this is what two thirds of the world's peoples have to put up with every day as a matter of course.
Ah well a interesting thought as no doubt a whole phalanx of eastern european ladies of very doubtful virtue will no doubt ensure that a multiplicity of warm bedding, at a price of course, is available to cater for the assembled climate troughers and green blog luvvies so as to cover what ever discrete personal traits they chose to be acting out at the time.
O course the eastern european ladies might also find that their business is being severely undercut by the numerous free trade agreements that will be no doubt be negotiated within the hallowed halls and meeting places of the le Bourget COP21.
I hope they read the paper from the French Mathematicians. They think it all a waste of time and money.
I hope they read the paper from the French Mathematicians. They think it all a waste of time and money.
Oct 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM John Marshall
Is there a link?
Martin A
You can read the White Paper in English at http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_Global_Warming_Summary_2015_09.pdf
Apologies - that was the wrong link. Here is the correct one:
http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_RC_2015_08_24_EN.pdf
Why aren't Airlines charging a 100% climateer surcharge for flights in and out of Paris? Workers in air travel have to think about their grandchildren too.
Shouldn't the next climateer party be planned for somewhere guaranteed to be cold, without any luxury trappings, like Siberia? This would freeze speculation that people only turn up for the glamour and prestige, and because they are not paying for it.
The science was settled without debate or consultation, so why do they invite publicity now?
Couldn't they at least fake some evidence to prove all this expenditure has achieved something?
In the meantime the corruption within UN climate ranks goes largely unreported:
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2015/10/unlimited-corruption/
The case of UNFCCC AWGC chair John Ashe moves on with his indictment. The Chinese businessman involved was also a good buddy of the Clintons in a political funding scandal in the 90's
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/UN-body-backed-Macau-deal-in-corruption-case?page=1
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Groups-that-linked-Chinese-businessmen-to-diplomats-under-fire
I'm sure they're not expecting 40,000 signatures on a planet-saving treaty so it really does beg the question WTF most of them are expected to do other than eat, drink, and carouse full measure.
I mean, when was the last time 40,000 people were put into a large venue, say Wembley Stadium, and they emerged waving an important signed agreement like Neville Chamberlain?
From the linked article ...
This makes the French government subservient to the UNFCCC. What if they just say, "Non!"
Re that link, I see it also says
COP 21 will be the largest international conference of President François Hollande's mandate. For the French government, which has spent months preparing for the conference, the stakes are high. The 195 participating countries will have to reach an agreement on measures to keep the global temperature below +2°C.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/sustainable-dev/private-sector-chip-cop-21-314002
At least it's above zero!
More eugenics anyone?
The Arctic is supposed to be not only ice free, but warm and sunny. They should hold the next COP22 at the Arctic Circle, just like all those rowers do when they row to the North Pole to demonstrate Global Warming.
To put this gross waste of money in to perspective, on the BBC News this morning they were talking about providing CLEAN WATER & SANITATION for those people currently without them will cost £100m a year until 2030.
Here you have 40,000 people wasting almost 2 years investment to bring said water & sanitation to 1000s of people in Africa.
And that is without factoring in Travel Costs.
It is OBSCENE.
I read yday something here (dont remember which post) that the oceans have ORDERS of magnitutde more CO2 dissolved than there is CO2 in the atmosphere.
Although, lets get this clear: CO2 is a gas unless VERY VERY cold, so it has a tendency to escape out of water doesnt it? it is only there for the sake of very frail equilibrium laws
I think we should put that in BOLD how MUCH CO2 is there around in the world and how humanity's addition is negligible compared to that. It is a BOON to inject it in the armosphere as it temporarily creates more FOOD for plant and enlarges the living biotope.
ANY commie government would, when faced with top down required global planning to provide more food, come with the solution eventually to inject more plantfood, heat and humidity in the world. If they DONT now, it is because too many are corrupted by CRONY capitalist companies and govmint PROPAGANDA. is always a race between interests to make sociopaths rich isnt it?
40,000?
Half of them will be 'sock puppets' ie NGO's mainly paid for by the taxpayers of the EU [British].
Then, there are the not so civil servants - taxpayer again.
Senior politicos - taxpayer.
Journo's - independently funded.
The French will make damn sure that, French taxpayers are not paying the guest hotel tabs - that will be charged on the EU taxpayer account and via an indirect route - if yer know what I mean - John?
Then, there is the other stuff; champagne, whores, blow, dope, skag, crack and meth' - somehow all of these will find their way onto their various expenses accounts - and thus the taxpayer picks up this tab - again.
@venus etc: CO2 is highly soluble in water because it reacts to form carbonic acid.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/heres-what-it-will-take-for-success-at-climate-talks-19590
This article lost me at the picture of the Syrian child. Suddenly all I could think about was how easily the writer uses emotional black mail to get her way. She either thinks that climate change is a major issue in the Syrian crisis, which as it’s not, so her judgement comes into question or she doesn’t think it’s a key part but she demonstrates her tendency to use any inappropriate tool in her arsenal and she thinks we’re stupid enough not to notice. What else could she have to say we’d want to listen to?
As it happens, I did jump to the end to read “Crucially, though, Paris is not an end point. The agreement now in draft provides for a process of regular review, so commitments can be ratcheted up and progress judged. We have the prospect of many more Paris-style meetings to come.”
In other words more climate jamborees to jet off to.
Why do 40, 000 people have to meet in Paris, to ratify an agreement, that no one else has been asked to discuss?
This is UN sanctioned abuse of the human rights of the people of the world.
No one was invited to witness the trial of CO2. No one was allowed to question any of the prosecution witnesses. CO2 was not allowed any Defence Counsel. CO2 was presumed guilty, and the jury pronounced the guilty verdict, and life sentences upon those powerless to object, ie, the rest of the world.
When did the IPCC know that Michael Mann's Hockey Stick was not real, and what have they done to acknowledge it? (Apart from quietly dropping it from their science busting reports)
I think i'll invent video-conferencing. I could sell it to the UN and make a fortune. Wait, I have a feeling I was using something like that 20 years ago.
Phillip Bratby, video conferencing does not give the right party atmosphere, to celebrate the IPCC's total failure to achieve anything, apart from more taxpayer funded parties, to plan the next taxpayer funded party, and come up with the most stupid scare story that warrants the most extravagant expenditure.
It is vital to clock up the maximum number of air miles, to discuss why other people should be banned from flying, because Climateers have a proven track record of achieving nothing during the other 50 weeks of the year
The French may produce good food, but they can't make a proper gravy. The IPCC gravy train might run out of juice in Paris. They could try powering it up with coal, which is not a scarce resource.
golf charlie: I knew there had to be a flaw in my cunning plan to save millions.
@Venus etc 1315
Along similar lines, I thought I read somewhere that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was the same as that of a Ping-Pong ball in the Albert Hall. Can anybody correct or confirm?
"Local transport?- Bicycles or a brisk walk surely? TM"
You obviously have no idea how expensive natural bio-bicycles are these days.
@TM: Re bicycles: also bear in mind, that most serious proponents of two-, or three-wheeled pedal-powered transport (no matter how green they claim to be) would not be seen dead on any such vehicle, unless it was made from state-of the art composites and metallic alloys. They probably contain more kevlar and titanium, and produce a greater carbon footprint than your average bog-standard family saloon car in constructing them.
Zat ees onnly €4,675 per delegat. Nourriture pour volaille.
Oct 25, 2015 at 9:13 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby
So my tax paid for one delegate, nearly.
@TM: Re bicycles: also bear in mind, that most serious proponents of two-, or three-wheeled pedal-powered transport (no matter how green they claim to be) would not be seen dead on any such vehicle, unless it was made from state-of the art composites and metallic alloys
In some parts of France you can get a 250€ grant to buy an electric bike.!!
what are those 40.000 talking about all day on such a conference?
It is not that they need to convince each other of "its worse than we thought" is it??
It is also not from them that the solutions are going to come, only NUISANCES like paidfor carrier bags, taxes, windmills all those FUTILITIES with a distinct wimmin signature on them.
We need to implement SAME HR policies in institutes and nannystate "services" as in private industry, with MANDATORY churn of people. Otherwise a distinct "progressive" inbred culture foments..like rotten yoghurt
John Constable:
According to Wikipedia the volumes are:
Ping-pong ball: 33,510mm^3
Albert Hall:85,000 to 99,000 m^3
Therefore the ratio = 33,510 x 10^-9 / 90,000 = 0.00000000037 say 0.00000004%
CO2 is 0.04% of atmosphere. So the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is the same as that of 1,000,000 Ping-Pong balls in the Albert Hall. But that depends on the volumes being about right and me having got the right number of zeros.
Anybody care to check?
Well the 2010 G8/G20 conference in Canada cost Canadian taxpayers over $900 million and led to serious human rights violations by the police. The French president at the time noted that France was to hold the next conference and said that it would cost nowhere near the vast sum that Canada paid out. Given this, it may be that the sum that France is spending could be considered prudent in comparison to the vast waste generated by other countries for these sorts of conferences.
As for the 40,000 delegates, the new Canadian Prime Minister is not only attending on his own but is also taking delegates from all opposition parties along as well. The more the merrier is our new motto in Canada since this decision has been greeted with widespread approval.
Well the 2010 G8/G20 conference in Canada cost Canadian taxpayers over $900 million and led to serious human rights violations by the police. The French president at the time noted that France was to hold the next conference and said that it would cost nowhere near the vast sum that Canada paid out. Given this, it may be that the sum that France is spending could be considered prudent in comparison to the vast waste generated by other countries for these sorts of conferences.
As for the 40,000 delegates, the new Canadian Prime Minister is not only attending on his own but is also taking delegates from all opposition parties along as well. The more the merrier is our new motto in Canada since this decision has been greeted with widespread approval.
So, we just need to let the migrants at Calais know that their new camp is now available at Bourget...any volunteers?
Tonyb
To Phil Bratby:
Albert Halls(between 85,000 and 99,000 cubic metres)
Average 92,000m3 = 9.2 x 10^13
ping pong ball 40mm dia. (Tenis Table Federation dimensions)
=25,132mm^3
Ratio (9.2 x 10^13) / (25,132) = 3,660,671:1
2.73 x 10E-7
Greg Cavanagh: 0.000000273%
Phil Bratby: 0.00000004%
You didn't specify what dimensions you used, but we got the same order of magnitude at least.
Maybe it should be funded by the green lobby. The wind farms in the UK get at least €2bn a year in subsidies, so they alone would fine it worthwhile investment to keep the gravy train going. There is also Tesla, who have received around $5bn in subsidies. Then there is the Chinese, who have benefited to the tune tens of billions ($, € or £) from the worthless policies destroying jobs in Europe. Or maybe the investment banks who have run the carbon trading systems could dip in. A successful agreement may restart a few such schemes, so must be worth a punt.
All-in-all, if the French Government was even slightly entrepreneurial this climate jamboree could be hugely profitable.
While we are not worse, we are bigger. $200,000,000 is a rounding error to President Obama. Our deficit was $436 BILLION this last fiscal year. We gave one hoaxer $61, 000,000, operating as a non-profit in three (3) years.
We can't beat Canada and Russia but where I live, 15 miles South of Wisconsin (Rockford, Illinois), January averages 19 degrees F. Not the low, the average. Paris HAS NO WINTER.
We need economic stimulus as we were heavily (perhaps the most in the US) industrialized and have massive unemployment and debt. Send the next COP to Rockford. We have a 10,000 commercial runway, are an official "International Airport" with Customs in place. Maybe the delegates would witness REAL cold. -27Fis our low record but we get -22 nearly half of all winters. Oh, and wind. Wind and cold go together here near the prairies.
I guess the 40.000 COP bien-pensants wont discuss the new third world immigrants because they are to be made high carbon emitters and we should be happy with that
Phillip Bratby,
Looks to me that your calculations are right. It struck me that it might be easier to picture a single layer of ping-pong balls on a football field. That works out at about 1250 over a whole 100x50m field, which condenses down neatly to one ball for each 2mx2m square.
John Constable
Roughly 1 40mm table tennis ball in a 600mm beach ball.
Phillip Bratby, Greg Cavanagh & Robert Swan
Would it not be easier to fill the entire Albert Hall with ping pong balls, with 0.04% of them printed with a small decimal point. Then get the World's top climate experts to count the number of decimal points, and work out how many ping pong balls there were in the first place.
This should take a while, be completely pointless, and utterly boring. But they are climate scientists, so why should anyone worry?
Isn't Le Bourget where the Russian "Concordski" crashed and burned?
[Snip- raise the tone, please]
How can you ever set a price to the effort of saving the world? You cynical bean counter, no cost is too much.Think of your grandchildren.