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Bishop Hill Blustering bully backs off
Feb 25, 2014 Climate: Mann Michael Mann finally seems to have had his bluff called. Having referred to Andrew Bolt as someone who was paid to lie by Rupert Murdoch, he has been on the receiving end of a fairly blunt invitation to retract the allegation and apologise or face the consequences.
This appears to have had the desired consequences.
Reader Comments (35)
Nice to see someone has at last gone straight for the jugular — or the testicles. From this distance I can't see which but either will do.
Jesus H Christ, that guy does himself no favours does he? If you are suing someone for libel the last thing you should be doing is running your mouth around town like a fat chick in a free chocolate shop!
I imagine Steyn has already taken note?
Mailman
a glance at Mann's latest tweets shows that this is not over
He hasn't backed off, although he is referring to Desmogblog and SkS now so the hole he is in is being enlarged.
If I was involved in funding his legal battles I would ask him to muzzle it or withdraw.
Michael Mann was always a coward. Like most bullies he strikes where he thinks he is safe like in interviews with the BBC or Guardian, any pro-Mann outlet that allows his rants. But he never ventures where he might be exposed and people can see his bumbling.
A true coward.
Mann is an utter disgrace to his profession. Why does his University not sack him?
That pretty much defines Mann's torturing of facts and language. 'Falsehoods' but not 'lies'. He really has a problem. Climate science needs to throw this guy under the bus before he takes them all down, but they can't because they've spent too much gold protecting him.
Oh dear.
Much as I dislike, even despise, Michael Mann...I would advise not going down the legal route. Not on the basis of trying to prove or disprove whether someone is "promoting falsehoods" or not.
Andrew Bolt has got the stones...but it really is not worth it.
Much better the route of watching him wriggling in public.
Mann's journey to the Dark Side was complete, in my opinion, some time ago. Ugh.
Also. for what its worth, Mann has an iconic status amongst the believers. To abandon him would mean openly accepting error in the "science" requiring a re-write back to 1998! The credibility of the narrative will not survive that.
So Mann has to be supported and, knowing this, he is becoming reckless, exhibiting ego driven irresponsibility. I perceive the emergence of a death wish - rather than accepting an inevitable and debilitating decline of status he is courting a confrontation which, in his delusion, he thinks he can win.
He is not alone - the same signs are emerging amongst many committed politically, economically and ideologically.
The exit signs have been illuminated and the fat lady is about to sing.
If Mann is prepared to show that he is willing to distort facts, twist statements, edit quotes given in a formal judgement of an inquiry, and outrightly lie for his own advantage to a court of law and to the world in general, is this not a good thing for the sceptics?
That one of the principle “scientists” on the alarmists’ side shows himself to be so dishonest to court has to make one wonder about his honesty in his work, and of the work of all those associated with him, whether actively supporting him or not. Hopefully, this will start to sink slowly into the consciousness of his more vociferous promoters in the MSM – even the BBC should be starting to baulk at his message.
Mann is no better than your average internet troll. For somone so educated - how can he be so stupid.
Feb 25, 2014 at 8:55 AM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Stroud
Money talks. Government grant money drowns out all else.
One would have thought Mann would put a zipper on his entries into the political opinion arena given these will be used against him in any US litigation including Steyn's counterclaim. Admissions against interest are not what one wants to litigate in libel cases.
RadicalRodent
"Hopefully, this will start to sink slowly into the consciousness of his more vociferous promoters in the MSM – even the BBC should be starting to baulk at his message."
It's hard to see how they could do this – even if they actually wanted to. Climate Alarmism runs so deeply through the Corps output of the last ten years (saved for posterity on the Internet) Plus they have abused and villified anyone expressing doubts over the existence of their God.
Mann being shown with feet of clay or whatever else it is he is hiding could be terminal for too many people's careers. They're going to double down and tough it out.
Kevin Lohse: "Money talks..."
May I refer you to Bob Dylan, Kevin: "Money doesn't talk, it swears!"
Stuck-Record: Yeah... good point.
Tweet from Mann:
Now there's a fine distinction - I wonder whether Mark Steyn could use that?
Michael Mann - the gift that keeps on giving!
The Money Mann doesn't just talk, he tortures feasibility.
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Twitter really is a dangerous beast.
Commentator: 'Mike Mann really is his own worst enemy, isn't he?'
Long queue of people 'Not while we're alive he's not'
Dickhead.
I can imagine that in a few years time this'll make an absorbing, if uncomfortable play/film...the self-immolation of Mann.
Any choices on who to play the lead? He needs to be able to portray a vast but fragile ego. Bruno Ganz from 'Downfall' even looks a little alike and can no doubt do the ego thing but may be a little old by then.
Mann is great , for the very people he hates the most
It’s been clear for some time his own ego will be his downfall and it cannot come soon enough.
And when he falls I would expect some quite cheering from his own side, but before that watch out for them ‘distancing’ themselves from him, when it occurs he really is dead meat.
There's been an awful lot of alarmist arm-waving of late.
Mann is following 'that' headline page from the Guardian and inevitable rants from Aussie Graham Readfearn and nutty Dana, plus Met Office Julia's assertions re 'climate change' and floods. All that and there's now 8 or 9 completely contradictory 'explanations' for the Pause that isn't supposed to be happening. Their fury is all over the place.
They do protest too much.
Lie: definition:
'A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a FALSEHOOD.' (my capitals)
Courtesy of TheFreeDictionary.
So, Mr Mann - what part of this definition are you struggling with..?
If I was Mann's attorney, I would be getting mightily fed up with him. Is he, in his wild intemperance, deliberately attempting to scupper his suit against Steyn?
Of course, the alternative explanation is that he is just mad.
[Looks at collection of Mann tweets] Hmmmm. [Rubs chin]
Eventually, his ideological colleagues will get fed up with him and then it will be (drumroll, wait for it).......................
MANN OVERBOARD!
Any threats of legal action against Mann should include Penn State as well. His twitter description states Penn State without any disclaimer they are his own opinions. Penn State's conduct requires such a statement from a professor for non-university activity. Since Penn State have been informed of this (and seemingly done nothing), thus a lawyer might be able to argue that such tweets are the responsibility of Penn State.
Also, Mann's tweets seem to violate Penn State's code of conduct, which requires respect at all time.
Complaints can be made to Penn State, just like Mann asked people to complain to some television station about a tweet from a meteorologist.
Why are people so afraid of Michael E. Mann? Do people not learn anything from history? Hitler ring a bell? The only way to stop bullies and con-men like Michael E. Mann is to take them on using their own tactics. Glad to see that at least Mark Steyn has the balls to do so.
The other Micheal Mann the guy who directed Heat and Miami Vice and Manhunter his latest Hollywood feature film is about phone hacking.
Rupert Murdock and you thought he just wounded giant and he was just some poor frail old man an easy target LOL.
PS Whose taking bets on Rebecca Brookes and Andy Caulson getting off.Getting acquitted in court i mean to say.Getting off they did that on several occasions.
Cue Downfall video...Please!
Mann and McIntyre is also a mismatch. The former is a mediocre academic with dire statistical skills and a Walter Mitty level of fantasy about his role in this debate. The latter is a retired oil industry consultant (a field in which competence is essential since, unlike in academia, the consequences of its absence can be very quickly felt) with first-rate data-analysis skills and an admirable tenacity in the pursuit of puzzles and peculiar assertions. One is to be admired as contributing to progress, the other is to be disparaged as an irritant on that journey. I've just been reading this: htttp://climateaudit.org/2014/02/25/mann-misrepresents-the-uk-department-of-energy-and-climate-change/
The AGW faithful will drop Mann as fast as they dropped the melting Tibetan glaciers, and hold fast to their climate apocalypse. For the AGW true believers climate science is just a thin veneer over their bigotry and prejudices.
John Shade: "McIntyre...is a retired oil industry consultant." Nope - MINING industry consultant.
Although related, they are also rather different. But then Canada's different, too. Canada's about timber, water (fishing) and tourism, and mining. Pretty much. With an oil patch tossed in, in Alberta.
Steve McIntyre has been president, director and board member of various Canadian mining exploration companies and has therefore been under strict legal requirements for ethical and accurate performance.
Tenured academics on the other hand....
Is Mikey getting cold feet? Maybe feeling the chill of a cold shoulder turned his way?
My-oh-my.... but, isn't life ironic at times?
The only thing about to get cooked is Mikey's reputation. Darned thing of it is... it is 'justice' by self-immolation.
OK... I'll stop with the bad puns now.