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Bishop Hill Diary dates, green debate issue
Nov 11, 2014 Climate: Parliament Greens Matt Ridley On 2 December, Matt Ridley is to take part in a debate in London on the politics of climate change. Apart from Matt, the panel includes:
- Chris Huhne
- Michael Ware (Partner in BDO LLP's Corporate Finance practice)
- Robert Llewellyn (Actor, commentator on electric vehicles and writer)
And it's all moderated by the BBC's Tom Heap.
Details here.
Reader Comments (44)
And we all know which side of the argument Tom heap is on.
Chris Huhne's background seems to be missing one vital piece of information. Why would you, on such a panel, have somebody who has been imprisoned for perverting the course of justice? Nobody in their right mind would believe a word he says.
Great point Philip Bratby! Why invite a known arrogant, cheating, liar, & a criminal, who perverted the course of justice, a very serious crime as bad as lying on oath! Says everything about the BBC & its own arrogance. Why not get a rapist or child killer on who's concerned about the environment, or a drugs baron perhaps? This will just give credence to this despicable man! Then again he is a millionaire!
Here are Robert Llewellyn's considered thoughts on the climate debate.
Llewellyn is just a typical lemotion driven member of the artie dafty coolerati. He should read this.
Naomi Klein
The whole affair, according to Klein, underlines a painful truth behind the “catastrophic failure” of some environmental organisations to combat the fossil-fuel industries responsible for soaring greenhouse gas emissions. “Large parts of the movement aren’t actually fighting those interests – they have merged with them,” she writes, pointing to green groups that have accepted fossil-fuel industry donations or partnerships and invited industry executives on to their boards.
It is no coincidence, suggests Klein, that several environmental organisations have also championed climate policies that are the least burdensome to the energy industry, including generously designed carbon markets and the use of natural gas as a bridge to a cleaner energy system.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e373bd70-3d8e-11e4-b782-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3IlD0mBsv
Robert Llewellyn's only there because Roland Rat and the cast of TOWIE are booked already on different pantomimes.
Lord Deben conspicuous by his absence, I see.
That's put me right off Red Dwarf.
Smeg-heeed.
Didn't Llewellyn once play a non-thinking, subservient, robot in a BBC comedy series? If so, not much has changed has it?
What a truly unpleasant person Robert Llewellyn is. I can't think that he would bring anything sensible to the debate; so that's two who shouldn't be on the panel.
In what sense is Chris Huhne a journalist?
Well I'm not sure Kryten is qualified for anything, never mind this. According to him I'm part of a "sweaty cabal of loud mouth right wing nut bags" presumably because I bother to question whether renewable energies can actually replace the fossil fuels that produce 90% of our electricity and heating rather than just taking it on blind faith.
I've never understood how these faux-green hypocrites combine massive pessimism about industry's effect on the environment with massive optimism that it could all be replaced so easily with just a few laws and taxes. A little bit of engineering knowledge would be welcome on such debates. As it stands I see too many folk who are allowed unchallenged to talk abject rubbish about things they know nothing about while hurling insults around just because they mistakenly think they have the moral high ground.
Just remembered what a lovely, lovely, lovely man Chris Huhne is.Great to see him back behind the wheel of politics.
Lukewarmer has meeting with warmists. Nothing to see here, move along please.
so why's Venus , all co2, not hotter as can be proved from its distance from the sun compared to eartgh ??
has Huhne thought about that while he was in jail ??
The blog is named 'The Llew Blog'.
deep, Esmiff, I think Chris Huhne has been invited to take part in the debate because he is known to be good at getting his points across.
[sorry, old joke originally from Clegg I think]
All I see, are alarmists of one shade or another - how can they couch this gabfest of the converted [believers in the man made CO2 = catastrophe] - in terms of a 'debate'?
I'd like to see some real debate, how about Marc Morano, Mark Steyn or, JD for example?
"So that’s one side, I think we can all agree, no matter what our opinion or outlook, these corporations are likely to be keen to maintain the status quo, make sure they can still operate and make money and are capable and prepared to spend big to undermine any negative influence on their activities.
On the other side you have a ragbag of pressure groups, governmental organisations, university departments, very small energy companies, opinion formers and local activists."
Now come on, you have to admit Llewellyn is a very funny guy. Anyone who pretends that every green organisation from the World Bank downwards, including governments, the BBC, Green Peace, WWF and the RSPB, is a 'ragbag' is serious having a larf.
As Paul comments, four warmists and a lukewarmer is hardly a debate. How sad that this should be progress on past performance.
February 4th is National Chris Huhne Day.
Michael Ware ex of BDO New Energy and Environment : I thought that probably means working with BigGreenHedgefunds subsidy farming
^ Yes subsidy farming : RHI Renewable Heat Incentive a biz converts heating to biomass and DECC just gives them free money "to kick start the renewable heat market" for 20 years ! (scheme not popular tho..cos startup costs too much)* eg his proj to convert waste plastic to diesel (makes sense as long as the subsidies are not paid)
** Anyone who puts a solarPV panel in the UK instead of Africa where it works 5 times as hard, doesn't give a stuff about the environment.
BDO run another seminar in January : Beyond Compliance: Effective Sustainability And Brand Positioning Seminar
... I translate that as Greenwashing Techniques seminar
Poor, poor Matt. That is the biggest pile of BBC slime seen in a very long time. There is no way they are going to allow Matt R to say anything against the AGW même.
£60 to go in "Admission to ecoConnect's Green in the City is only £50.00 + VAT per ticket. "
..after all their time is valuable ..they could be writing subsidy applications instead
cheque to ecoConnect - the UK’s green industry business network
"A not-for-profit, politically independent agency, ecoConnect is working to accelerate the UK’s transition to a Green Economy" ..."industry expertise and thought-leadership" ..brainwashing ?
.. a good home for you cash ?
hey Have you see the delegates attending ? ..big list of Aramani wearers ..Green Energy this, Green Energy that, etc. etc. + Barclays, 350 Investment Partners (350.org ?), ING, Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust
"Pope, Vicky Met office"
"Leake, Jonathan The Sunday Times"
Apart from the all too evident shortcomings of the participants other than Matt, it's a very question begging agenda, isn't it? Looks like a waste of time and money.
So, it's a Scrap Heap Challenge?
350 Investment Partners is not 350.org "Our name references 350 parts per million representing what James Hansen at NASA and many climate scientists believe is the safe upper limit for CO2 in our atmosphere. "
(...which we passed years ago, & planet is still as normal with no catastrophe in sight)
Here are Robert Llewellyn's considered thoughts on the climate debate.
Clearly he hasn't met anyone from WWF, FoE, or Greenpeace!!!!
Huhne was a member of Ban Ki Moon's High Level Climate Finance Panel, after Copenhagen, along with Nick Stern et al
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/high_level_climate_finance.html
Robert Llewellyn writer and actor also does the voice commentary for popular science show " How It Works "which is produced by WagTV .
WagTV is owned and run by Martin Durkin.
So our Robert didn't turn his nose up at that particular Pay Cheque
PS
i suppose this debate gives Robert Llewellyn Actor, commentator ,writer.a good platform to promote his interests in Electric cars financial or otherwise. Can a Hologram still be a trougher.
Interesting i read WUWT someone calculated that if all the cars in New York City were converted to electric they would need a couple more extra nuclear power stations that's for just one big city.Has our Robert figured that one out yet
In what sense is Chris Huhne a journalist?
Nov 11, 2014 at 12:39 PM | deep
He makes things up?
Chris Huhne what a lovely man - stabbed Nick Clegg in the back - lied to the police - cheated on his wife
According to Wikipedia Robert Llewellyn "is an atheist and skeptic,[8] and has expressed that his major pseudoscientific irritations are astrology and climate change denial.
My major irritation is a TV presentor who has no real qualification in science, no understanding of science but pretends he/she does and happily regurgirates nonsense!
CharmingQuark
Unfair. A recent poll revealed 83% of British voters would stab Nick Clegg in the back if it wasn't illegal, 41% were thinking about it anyway.You must have forgotten what Huhne's wife looks like. http://alturl.com/tbcyc
Off topic
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/11214122/Her-Majesty-the-Green-Queen-worries-about-global-warming.html
I though our Queen our Head of State wasn't supposed to do politics.
I thought greenpiss had told the BBC not to interview non-scientist.
Alan the Brit 'Why invite a known arrogant, cheating, liar' well if didn't they actual find it quite hard to get any climate 'scientists' has these seem to be requirements of the job , along with a planet sized ego of course.
Pedantic maybe, but has anyone else noticed that the site promoting this has misused the word "mitigate" twice:
1. "reducing carbon emissions & mitigating the effects of climate change." The alleged purpose of reducing carbon dioxide emissions (not carbon emissions which I thought were soot, an aerosol which causes atmospheric cooling and lung disease) is meant to be to mitigate climate change itself, or in fact atmospheric warming, not its effects.
2. "There is ongoing discussion on the role of subsidies & whether they support technologies or, possibly, mitigate against real efforts at cost-reduction". The word they were grasping for there but didn't find must have been "militate", not "mitigate".
They really don't know what they are talking about, do they?
Talking of subsidy farming and RHI ..right now on BBC4 Gryff Rhys Jones prog is covering the Stiebel Eltron project marine pump at Plas Newydd ..which has won a big award... but Obama style it has not actually started working yet.
... and despite Gryff saying earlier in the prog "The National Trust gets no government money", it will indeed get generous RHI payments from the government
I looked at Robert Llewellyn's considered thoughts. A rich material for Professor Lewandowsky.
“The discovery of instances which confirm a theory means very little if we have not tried, and failed, to discover refutations. For if we are uncritical we shall always find what we want: we shall look for, and find, confirmation, and we shall look away from, and not see, whatever might be dangerous to our pet theories. In this way it is only too easy to obtain what appears to be overwhelming evidence in favour of a theory which, if approached critically, would have been refuted.”
― Karl Popper, The Poverty of Historicism
How true.
KNR, the BBC has problems finding women, never mind scientists or scientific women. Even The Guardian thinks so.
Perverting the course of justice used to be a very serious crime.
Now, apparently, it is no worse than a speeding ticket.
Llewellen is the archetypal leftie luvvie greenie useful idiot.
If you read his autobiography you rapidly realise he's not overly bright.
He wrote an introduction to a Scrapheap Challenge book where he castigates lightweight TV presenters completely unaware that that is exactly the role he plays on Scrapheap. It's not as if he has any other relevant qualifications.
A fully paid up member of the Cult of Celebrity which apparently qualifies its members to pontificate on any subject under the sun as if they had some sort of knowledge of the subject.
Famous for playing a stupid robot...
@CharmingQuark, @johanna
Well, at least he converted someone from swinging left to swinging right (or vice versa).
With Huhne - the mind boggles.
Especially to find it so pleasant as to change (as it were) direction ...
Bish,
I have a ticket to this event going spare, as I'm unable to attend due to illness. Could you ask your readers if anyone wants it? I'll need to transfer the ticket into the claimant's name beforehand.
Rob