Bishop Hill Loveable rogues
Jan 17, 2014 Energy: gas Greens The attempts to shoot down a police helicopter with a distress flare having rebounded on them fairly badly, the anti-fracking protestors at Barton Moss have, you will recall, been trying to conceal the identity of the culprit. Since those attempts were made public at BH and James Verdon's site, they have been busy trying to cover up the cover up, deleting all the relevant comments from the thread on which their misdeeds were recorded.
You might have thought that they would now back away from violence, but it seems that others within the camp may have other ideas.
Two people have been arrested at an anti-fracking camp at Barton Moss in Salford.
Police were called to the site on Wednesday evening after reports protesters were obstructing vehicles entering the site.
Police says threats were made towards staff during a shift change over.
Two men were arrested for threats to kill, they both remain in police custody for questioning.
Ah those loveable rogues, so caring, so thoughtful!
Reader Comments (35)
One could almost....almost...sympathise with the "genuine" protesters who are being so discomfited by the antics of one or two of their number....
However, given the usual outright lies and machinations of the said protesters they cannot be surprised if this is used against them to the max.
Sauce for the goose, etc:
Seems common tactics of the extremists in the anti camp. There was a case in Canada where a woman was threatened.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/sheila-karkagie-receives-death-threat-1.2499471
SBML
Have I misread the report in that link?
It looks to me as if she was threatened for exposing a conflict of interest by those involved in fracking not those protesting against it.
For goodness sake they are saving the planet, think of the children!
Whats a little bit of violence and intimidation when you are doing Gaia's work.
Fighting evil is not easy and they will do anything to destroy those ungodly shale contraptions.
From the Ecclesiastical Uncle, an old retired bureaucrat in a field only remotely related to climate with minimal qualifications and only half a mind.
Hooliganism or conviction? Rent-a-crowd or zealotry?
Read Judy Curry's testimony to Senate. Excellent stuff.
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=07472bb4-3eeb-42da-a49d-964165860275
You only have to see photos of them to realise what loveable rogues they really are.
- Protest group=u-police+psychos+brainwashed
- When you work with protestors it seems often half of them are various forms of undercover police
- read Riotous Assembly by Tom Sharpe
..many of the rest are mix of nutters, the misinformed with an odd genuine revolutionary maybe
Good 2 down.
Now let's arrest their fellow travellers in DECC, UEA, the Met Office, Yeo, Deben etc.
"threats to kill"
New offence? it is/was covered as assault under the offences against the person act of 1968.
While the Old Bill have got them, may I suggest running their names past the DWP and see what comes up?
Abusing and threatening the staff who are working for a living (something outwith the protestors' experience) and who have no control over what their employer does anyway.
This is a political issue, why don't they go to London and abuse and threaten politicians? Because they wouldn't be allowed to.
There are no "genuine" protestors here.
As the signs at any public face of a public sector organisation will tell you, people have a right to go about their work without abuse, threats or intimidation. (They always miss out the bit that their customers have a right to prompt, effective, polite service, but that's another issue!)
The "protestors" are nothing more than "flying pickets" causing obstruction to lawful business and using threats and intimidation against employees.
Bang the lot of them up.
Hanging is too good for them.
Perhaps they should be commended for their lack of hypocrisy. The Green's goals are consistent with a mass dieoff of the elderly by hypothermia and, a la Club of Rome, they would like to cull our numbers by an order of magnitude, leaving only the righteous to live in harmony with Gaia in Dark Age squalor.
It's because they care so very very much.
CharmingQuark: (Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM): as I said on another thread, there is true irony in their insistence on “Think of the che-e-eldren!” and their assertion that there are already too many of us, and extinction of the species would be best for the planet.
I read a blog post a few years ago about why peace protesters are anything but peaceful. The guy who wrote the post was a generals son in the vietnam war and he re-counted all the abusive phone calls he took, his dad checking the car for bombs before taking him to school and the people who hung around outside his house hurling abuse and threatening violence to his mother whenever she left the house.
I saw some of the protest on TV and they were shouting 'Shame on you' at a lorry driver - I thought to myself leave him alone, he's probably got a family to feed, mortgage and heating bills to pay - and above all he pays his taxes. The irony at time is just not funny.
Jack, was that a drilling company truck or a haulage contractor, could you see?
This blog has taken a nose dive...pick it up!
stewgreen (Jan 17, 2014 at 10:28 AM) said "read Riotous Assembly by Tom Sharpe"
Actually, it should be 'Indecent Exposure', but I guess I'm just being picky :-)
Dave
Or better still, read both. You've also reminded me of 'The Wilt Alternative' where Wilt's batty wife takes up the Green cause. Equally funny and somewhat prescient, considering it was written over 30 years ago. It is set, curiously enough, around a Fenland college...
"Hanging is too good for them.
Jan 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM | John Marshall"
Not so John, I am led to believe they become more tender after 21 days of hanging*
* According to my butcher.
From COED
tender
adjective (tenderer, tenderest)
1 gentle and sympathetic.
Odd, is it not...
... that if they had expressed a desire to kill our current group of politicians, we would probably be getting up a collection for them now...
NW: It was almost certainly a hire lorry. Oil companies never have their own trucks. Even drilling contractors hire out, as it is not a good business model to own the trucks, and have them non-working most of the time.
What difference does it make, pray tell?
If it was a company wagon, the driver at least had some connection to the site - not that that makes it right in any way for the protestors to abuse him or her.
If it's a haulage contractor, the driver is just making a delivery to the site address on the paperwork he was handed when he picked up the truck so it is incredibly stupid and crass for them to target him or her.
I wonder if the 'lovable' rogue's were recently in Russia, detained until they were kicked out?
I admire the optimism of anyone who hopes that any of these cretins will be held to account. There have, admittedly, been convictions for the most violent animal rights freaks.
Greenie activists? I can't remember any. There is an obvious pattern of HMG themselves surreptitiously subverting any trial that is staged. (e.g. PC Mark Kennedy and the Ratcliffe Power Station Greenpeace 'protesters'.) All the signs of a planned fix-up.
And there are plenty of precedents. Remember Lord Melchett?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/934110.stm
Just how much effort was put into the prosecution?
John Marshall, rockape:
Could you tone it down? There were indignant denials here in the past when pro-CAGW people claimed to have seen violent rhetoric in the comments.
Fuzzy headed.
Another example of how a tiny minority of wrong headed anarchic zealots, eco warriors by another name can hold up technological progress which would greatly benefit the nation. And through this protest and in so many other ways these zealots have wrought with their allies in the political and corporate spheres and via the green madness an energy crisis and economic calamity - which we 'Joe Public' will pay dearly for and remember, cold kills - global warming doesn't.
The shale gas riggers and operatives will be friendless and frankly and personally for them it is a very, very difficult situation.
We know that, though I don't, some would call it 'our' government is conflicted. Yes, kicking and screaming though they still are, HMG they deign to allow exploratory shale gas drill test sites. But Westminster is a hall full of green benchers and on the payroll, crazed green advocates.
Then, there are whole government departments and myriad taxpayer funded quangos - government by proxy, devoted to the green agenda, all of which signals that: at best the government response to hydraulic fracturing is all dishonesty and obliquely ambiguous.
The police.
Long ago since ceased to be a civilian force, 'for the people and of the people'. The Police are now, openly an arm of the state - where 'green is good' is the mantra - remember the fatuous in pursuit of the non existent and the Norwich finest hunting for the climategate crims. Most young plods grew up inculcated at skool with the green rot-brain guff, and some will not be unsympathetic to these repellent professional
benefithandouts derived - taxpayer funded tented protest.In conclusion, adherence to PC political correctness; 'yuman rites' and 'right' to 'peaceful protest' - it matters not what these protestors do, short of murder [maybe] they will be allowed to stay as long as they like to cause mayhem, environmental damage - litter and spread their proverbial on their camp site and environs with wanton abandon even, with some official albeit tacit encouragement.
Picking up the overtime tab and site clearance, the local taxpayer will have to pay for it all, a double or, even a triple whammy.
@Athelstan
At least the fight is being taken to the police in some areas. Richard North's son Peter is fighting an heroic battle.-
Peter North
It is worth while reading the history of this case in the 2013 archive.
David Jones
From what I can gather none of this would have arisen if North had paid his Council Tax in the first place.
Of course I don't know the background as to why he didn't but as someone who spent several years fighting Sheriff's Officers (Scotland) on behalf of Council Tax defaulters and trying to persuade clients that their rent and their Council Tax was a higher priority even than the weekly groceries I have precious little time for smartarses.
I was not in greatly in favour of the Community Charge but I, and millions of others, paid it. Council Tax is an improvement and like it or not you are legally obliged to pay it whether you approve of your local council or not.
I might add that (in Scotland at any rate) if you miss two monthly instalments you become immediately liable for the whole year's tax and the council will be in the court within two weeks of that second payment becoming overdue.
It's quite conceivable that the bailiffs in this case were breaking the law but that is irrelevant. It should never have got to that stage.
@Mike Jackson
".. none of this would have arisen if North had paid his Council Tax in the first place." That is very likely true but it is not the point. The point is to nail the illegal actions of local authorities and their agents and the police.
Smartarses in the nature of John Hampden (ship money) are necessary to hold back the arrogance of our "betters".
This Richard North article is relevant.
Sorry Bishop, I suppose this should be on unthreaded.
I would certainly believe that he wasn't liable for it. I have direct personal experience of being pursued by a council for Council Tax which I did not owe because the council lost the paperwork and lied and lied and lied about it. Local councillor was a well known waste of space and no help at all. In the end I had to pay it to stop the threatening letters, sherrifs officers etc. In my case the amount was relatively small so no point in paying for a lawyer particularly as I had no proof of their lying.
rockape34
I know all about this. My village shop sells well-hung pheasant.
Not so! We are loved and admired wherever we go.
Seriously, plenty of service hands etc will be staying with local hotels and b&Bs and will build up relationships that will last long after the protestors have moved on.