Tuesday
Sep112012
by
Bishop Hill

DECC's climate docs


Leo Hickman has unearthed a repository of DECC documents on climate change. I'm not clear if this is as a result of a FOI request or something else.
He is posting interesting snippets on his Twitter timeline. This internal briefing by a not-very-literate DECC insider is interesting.
[Update: author names are in the document properties. This one appears to be by P Munro; a google suggests P is for Paul]
Update on Sep 11, 2012 by
Bishop Hill

It's an FOI request - the full response is here.
Reader Comments (20)
What a dreadful internal briefing from an illiterate. No wonder the country is going down the pan.
Spelling. See me
Shocking stuff. Reads like an illiterate 6th former who's swallowed a Greenpeace pamphlet.
Yet again when we are exposed to the level of critical thinking by those in authority on Global Warming we can see them for the dunces that they are. Thank heavens for the internet so at least they are exposed to daylight.
Are they any impressive folk pushing the party line on this topic? It certainly doesn't seem so.
This one , perhaps.
Paul Munro DECC
Climate and Energy: Science and Analysis. in 2009
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/meetings_with_non_believers
What's in it for Leo?
And btw...their definition of sceptic is not the Guardian's. What a mess.
S/he may be illiterate, and wrong, but has made some worthwhile points that the climate scientists and their envronmental backers should take on board if they are to communicate better:
1. Consensus has no meaning in science or politics;
2. There are uncertainties and scientists should say so;
3. Scientists should engage with critics and be truthful;
4. Scientists should not tell us that there is a problem and there is only one solution; (I SAY THIS PARTLY BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT ONE SEES FROM SOME CLIMATE SCIENTISTS TAKES THE
FORM:
IF ‘X’, THEN YOU MUST DO ‘Y’)
5. The IPCC shouldn't be quoted as a "bible" irrefutable truths;
6 "AND YET DESPITE THIS ‘SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS’ THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT THERE NOT ALL OF THEM COMPLETE KNAVES AND FOOLS WHO JUST DON’T BUY IT.
7. The scientists believe we don't buy it because there isn't enough information and if they give us more information;
For the audience it was intended I believe it's quite sound advice.
I'm with Geronimo
P(aul?) Munro has made a fair fist of outlining a strategy that just might get his department out of the horrible mess they have got themselves into.
And if I were he, and that was my sole objective, I'd probably come up with something similar. I hope that I'd have learnt to use the spell checker to iron out any mispronts and speling mistakes, and I'd resist the temptation to use CAPITALS all the way through...but otherwise not a bad try.
I find myself in agreement with geronimo here.
Further, written in CAPS as it is, this was presumably something that the author was going to read out to his audience. I doubt I would have worried too much about the spelling and the punctuation, either. You may be being a trifle hard on his "illiteracy". These are just speaking notes, I think.
Frankly, if all the catastrophists commenting on Guardian articles were as reasonable as the author suggests they ought to be, the debate would be a good deal more productive, not to mention more gentlemanly!
To be fair, Latimer ('I'd resist the temptation to use capitals'), the PDF looks like a script that the speaker could read easily from a distance. Same reason for the line spacing. Quite a common ploy for a speaker to use.
It’s all about the nasty things done by us sceptics, but the only one mentioned by name is - George Monbiot
One piece of excellent news. Editors still know a “man bites dog” story when they see one. Science journalists don’t.One more repetition of something we’ve seen before
???Who originated this innaccuracy? Who was responsible for not correcting it?
Fascinating (and encouraging) stuff. I wonder how it went down with the Mandarins?
Nice to know that: "although I think that Ben Goldacre is essentially right, he does miss out an important dimension - scientists and especially climate scientists have colluded in constructing this parody of science".
Was it what Leo was expecting? Presumably not...
Interesting that the opening refers to the "CRU email leak" no?
The summary linked looks like a speech that someone has given rather than a summary - Autocue uses capitals doesn't it ?
The "speech" mentions Actionaid visit to Bagladesh. A guick google gives this page :
http://www.ukcds.org.uk/feature-Bangladesh_and_UK_scientists_team_up_to_tackle_climate_change-596.html
For an insight into the elitist arrogance and delusional thinking of DECC, you can hardly do better than this paragraph:
Oh, thanks Really? I thought the oil companies were fanning out everywhere handing out fivers to buy support for themselvesAnd some classic psychological projection:
The only "new evidence" I have seen in the last five years simply confirms my scepticism.
What "new evidence" would the writer be referring to, I wonder?
I believe you have to read beyond the words, to me this speech is from someone who himself/herself is sceptical. Look at it again carefully and imagine if your own day job was to advise DECC on how to communicate the science. The core of what is said would be cheered to the rafters by people on this site if there hadn't been the throw away lines about big oil etc. It is my contention that the throw away lines, are there to persuade the listeners that he too is a true believer, but read it carefully and you'll see he's telling them that there communication is crap because the message is crap and unless they change their ways dramatically they'll persuade nobody except those pre-disposed to be persuaded. And he's right.
I agree with Latimer and Geronimo about the message as a whole and with Mike's specific point above. To call people illiterate is like shooting the messenger, we should concentrate on the message.
The author sees himself in the position of a technical salesman, he has a product to sell. How the product was made and exactly how it works is over his head but he has to sell it and therefore he needs a sales story. The analogy holds good when he deals with the fact that the customers are not buying the product; the salesman can not change the product, he can only change the story and add incentives.