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Tuesday
Oct092012

Edinburgh lecture

From Climate Change to Climate Justice. Professor Alan Miller.

This lecture is taking place in Edinburgh tonight. Any takers?

http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/biomedical-sciences/changing-world/lectures/2012-091012

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Reader Comments (18)

Climate justice? Do I get compensation because the climate in California is better than in the UK?

Oct 9, 2012 at 9:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

The thing about the climate justice meme and its related social and other justices is that they plan to administer this justice without any sort of a court. With no defence against any accusation, of course. When you hear the concept of justice bandied about in this way, ask where is the court, the due process, the fair trial, the independent judiciary. If they are absent from the plan, you cannot call it justice.

Oct 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

The phrase 'climate justice' is one of those meaningless PC phrases that only Green/Left activists understand.

What's it supposed to mean? Shall we define it as 'nobody creating environmental impacts which adversely affect other people'? Then we have to go after all those big Indonesian businesses which burn vast swathes of rainforest to plant palm oil for biodiesel, and we have to go after all those big Chinese businesses which have turned their cities and the surrounding rural areas into toxic waste dumps. Norilsk Nickel, step into the dock. And the Khasargod pesticide factories.

But that's not what they mean, and this is where you have to be a Green/Left activist to correctly read between the letters. 'Climate justice' means a huge, centrally managed transfer of wealth from the developed world to the developing world (as someone put it: from the poor people in rich countries to the rich people in poor countries) in the name of boosting the egos of parasites who are at the helm of a range of UN and other international organisations.

My first question would be: what do you mean by climate justice? Especially in a world which has seen no ill-effects from climate change except from those policies mandated in the unjustified panic to avert it (biofuels, for example).

Oct 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM | Registered Commenterrickbradford

Oct 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM | rhoda

When you hear the concept of justice bandied about in this way, ask where is the court, the due process, the fair trial, the independent judiciary. If they are absent from the plan, you cannot call it justice.

Well, if the UN's Economic and Social Council [ECOSOC] gets its way, I suspect that we may well see (much to our dismay) efforts in this direction.

According to the glossy brochure ECOSOC uses to recruit representatives of "civil society" [aka NGOs], one of ECOSOC's "functional commissions" is the "Commission on Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice" [for the sake of brevity, CCPCJ].

According to this same brochure, one of the "mandated priority areas" of the CCPCJ is nothing less than:

Promoting the role of criminal law in protecting the environment

Links to all the gory details at Introducing … the UN’s jolly green sustainable hockey stick

Oct 9, 2012 at 10:01 AM | Registered CommenterHilary Ostrov

Another crackpot PC wooly, left wing liberal chat about a non existent problem.

Oct 9, 2012 at 10:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Marshall

Just the very thought there is such a body as the Scottish Human Rights Commission is enough to induce despair. It is the state run rampant in the name of the smug and self-congratulatory. Cuts anyone? What conceivable justification is there for so obviously pointless a body?

Oct 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterAgouts

Biomedical sciences eh? I hope someone with a cool head, and a heart in the right place can stomach the prospect of sitting on their bum for the duration of this event without getting cold feet over their very life and spirit slipping away in some awful miasma of bad humours. And then report back here!

Oct 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

The very phrase tells you all you need to know. The obsession with what the Left deems to be 'justice' is what led them to invent AGW. They were looking for an excuse to redistribute wealth - a pseudo-scientific 'justification' was cooked-up to fit the bill.

Oct 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM | Unregistered CommenterUncle Badger

I can't make it.

It would be interesting to see if the hockey stick is wheeled out as intoductory background, and what date it's plotted to.

If it's used and only plotted to '98 (as I preume it would be) the first question from the floor should be why it hasn't been extended to show the lack of warming for the last 12 (or is it 15?) years.

Oct 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterNial

Justiceulike?

Oct 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

How about giving the Social-Democrats and other mixed progressives some of that nice Mr Stalin's revolutionary justice, people's justice? One man's Justice is apparently another man's poison (or firing squad, or labour camp). The Lefts preference for making words mean whatever they want them to mean lies behind the absurd outcomes of Leftism.

Oct 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM | Unregistered Commenterbill

"Climate justice". What the **** is "Climate Justice". Who will rid us of these turbulent fanatics?

Oct 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterJeremy Poynton

"Lecture Synopsis

In a wide-ranging and interactive session, Professor Miller will draw upon his global and national experience in exploring the contribution of human rights in addressing contemporary challenges. A primary focus will be on outlining the need for the debate and actions on climate change to embrace "climate justice" as part of a necessary multi-disciplinary and multi-stakeholder approach. This will include an assessment of the steps already taken by Scotland and its potential to become a champion and model of climate justice. The United Nations has identified security, development and human rights as the three pillars of the 21st Century and the discussion will touch upon different aspects of these, from the role of the private sector to the right to dignity of older persons and to respect for "the other" in today's interdependent world."

Utter Guff !!!!!

Oct 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterClamour of The Times

"Alan has a combination of experience and expertise in the field of human rights grounded in 25 years involvement with the legal, academic and voluntary communities within Scotland. He previously ran a law practice in Castlemilk, Glasgow and is a past President of the Glasgow Bar Association."

Yet another "Holier than Thou" Lawyer. Oh yes he will be fully cognisant of the scientific aspects of the so called "climate justice" won't he? Another jingoistic ignoramus gibbering on about ethereal concepts, before an audience of acolytes of the School of Professor (Carbon Pumping) Haszeldine, of Edinburgh University of Carbon Balderdash.

http://www.scottishhumanrights.com/about/team/alanmiller

Pshaw !!!!

Oct 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterTic-Tac-Toe

Climate justice? Of course, I'm all in favor of it. Let's get Jones up on trial for the acts he's admitted to in email. Let's start throwing out the supposed 'scientists' who have lined up behind Mann's crap and making sure they're unemployable. Let's finally fire Hansen for cause and claw back his pension for the decade or more in which he's committed various crimes no NASA employee should be able to skate on. Let's make sure the IPCC no longer has two nickels to rub together.

Oh, that isn't what you had in mind? Well, that sounds like 'justice' to me...

Oct 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterJEM

' A primary focus will be on outlining the need for the debate and actions on climate change to embrace "climate justice" as part of a necessary multi-disciplinary and multi-stakeholder approach. '

That sounds fine, as long as it's conducted and developed within a viable and sustainable framework monitoring platform providing parameters for comprehensive and integrated functionality within strategic priorities.

Oct 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

In short as the science itself fails to support 'the cause ' as the climate fails to support 'the cause' and the people fail to support 'the cause' their desperately hopping coming up with this sudo-legal baled will probe 'the cause ' up
What is actual does is show how much this about the politics and not the science and how green the watermelons really are.

Oct 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterKnR

Whenever I flew from London to Edinburgh to attend the annual pension investment conference, it was always a few degrees chillier in Edinburgh than London. That was my epiphany. I realised that there is no climate justice. It is clear that the Scots agree because so many of them have fled south to London and its warmer climate.

Oct 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Post

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