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Oct082012

If at first you don't succeed....

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Oops, I just posted about this on unthreaded. Shukman's always there to oblige the EU in its propaganda campaigns. "Worldulike" - an oxymoron when the EU is covered with wind turbines.

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

""It's perhaps been a bit too much doom and gloom in the past on climate,""

A bit? Thats like saying chicken little was mildly pessimistic about the future.

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterBruce

Some people are incapable of learning. The same old garbage churned up again. The green gravy train is coming to an end and the public are tired of the alarmism, dishonesty and abuse.

"The UK has enjoyed massive growth in the green economy with 110,000 green jobs." - At what cost in terms of subsidy and real jobs? We cannot afford to pay for this nonsense anymore.

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterConfusedPhoton

"Ve haf vays ..."

The report is actually by Harrabin, Phillip, but I agree it's not easy to tell the difference anymore. [:-)

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

"...schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another; allow neighbours to use your car...show people how climate policies could make their own lives better..."

Madcapgreenasulike.

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Unregistered Commenterssat

Recently I've noticed a few "green" stories beginning to crop up on the BBC "technology" and "business" pages, as opposed to the "science and Environment" page.

[I capitalised "Environment" and wrote "science" in lower case to emphasis the apparent BBC attitude to science as being the less important of the two. I think they should be separated completely, partly because I don't think they understand the difference, or don't wish to.]

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Mike Jackson: Yes, you're right. Which one is which? Harrabin and Shukman both say the same things. Why do they need two of them? The BCC seems to manage OK without Richard Black.

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

There's a slight hint of scepticism creeping into Harrabin's reports.
"Critics will argue..." and making fun of the name, "uncomfortably reminiscent of the British baked potato restaurant chain Spudulike."

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

The spudulike website has a wonderfully optimistic picture heading that reminds me of nothing so much as the 'new world' illustrations beloved of the Watchtower magazine, where the lions are eating hay instead of the small children in the foreground. Probably about as likely, too.

Not sure what the Airbus is doing there, though!

Oct 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

When asked whether at a time of recession countries should seek the cheapest forms of energy possible to stay competitive Ms Hedegaard replied that this would result in the EU missing its climate targets.

Oh dear, How sad, Never mind!

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterMeIKnowNothin

Different lipstick. Same old pig.

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

The EU Climate Commissioner, Connie Hedegaard

So how much are we paying her every year ?

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:31 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Surely, if I decide not to use my car am I not doing a 'good' thing for the planet? But if I 'allow neighbours to use [my] car' I am causing carbon (sic) pollution by proxy. Funny old world - as someone once said.

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterSnotrocket

jamspid
So how much are we paying her every year ?
its six figures and tax free with the type of expenses even MP's could only dream about . But don't be to hard on her ,she gets rather tired clocking all those air-miles as she files around the world to attended conference about stopping people from flying becasue its killing the planet. And if it makes you feel better she is virtual unshakable no matter how rubbish or corrupt in her role .

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterKnR

"[EU Climate Commissioner, Connie Hedegaard] said she believed a new global climate agreement might be achieved in 2015."

That's great!! Can you agree to arrange it so that the Midlands gets a balmy Summer and light snow at Christmas? Thanks Connie.

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterSnotrocket

Worldulike !

Sounds like this came from a "blue sky thinking' session on 'The Thick of It" or "Twenty Twelve's" - think-tank of PR wonks who came up with - Jubilympics !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p00qsr82/twenty_twelve_jubilympics/

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM | Unregistered Commenterjazznick

"schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another (Sweden); allow neighbours to use your car (UK); and generate energy from landfill (Latvia)."

Wow! I'm sure this will reduce CO2 emissions as much as (errrrrrrr, ummmmmm, errrrrrr), why! Bloody great windmills all over the place!

I'm sure BigOil, BigGas and BigCoal will be quaking in their boots! What will Doctor Evil have to say?? He thought with China and India Belching Carbon like mad his kunning plan to send humanity to Thermageddon was 'in the bag'!

But he'd reckoned without Harrabin and Hedegaard!!

Wow, the H&H Dynamic Duo have kyboshed his fiendish scheme! Swedish Body Heat, Eh? Ahem! Brings back schoolboy memories, I've gotta confess!

That'll be the ticket! After all, as we now understand that Glowbull warming causes cold weather, imagine what excess Swedish Body Heat might do!

The imagination positively boggles!!!

Oct 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin Brumby

If you dig deeper into the body heat example, it requires two conditions:

1) Cheap electricity from hydro and nuclear

2) Expensive natural gas.

Oct 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterBruce

Here is todays official campaign launch meeting agenda for the 'world you like', at City Hall, London.

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/hedegaard/headlines/docs/20121005_programme_en.pdf

Connie Hedegaard, supported by 'A Dialog of Visions' from David Nussbaum, Chief Executive, WWF UK, Robert Hunt, Executive Director, Veolia UK (that sounds familiar), et al, then keynote speaker Ed Davey, after which much ado about nothing eating and rumination, moderated by our own Leo Hickman, finishing with flourish with closing remarks from Sandrine Dixson-Declève, of the Prince of Wales’s Corporate Leaders Group on Climate Change, and Humberto Delgado Rosa, Director, European Commission, Diurector General of Climate Action.

Oct 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM | Registered CommenterPharos

Another damned politician, who's gone straight from university, doing "Literature & History" (Wiki reckons she's a journalist by profession!) to climb the greasy pole.
Obviously a highly trained scientist, with a great mathematical mind!

Oct 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam Gallon

"The UK has enjoyed massive growth in the green economy with 110,000 green jobs."

Where are they?

Oct 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterCapell

With the Taxpayers' Alliance estimating the real National Debt (March 2010) at £7.9 Trillion and rising, the IEA estimating over 27,000 'policy based evidence making' charities in the UK receiving over 75% of their income from Government and the private sector pretty much dead in the water, it's good to see we're all still supporting the EU's bid to become the global leader in the fight against 'climate change'.

Face it, Westminster isn't working.

Oct 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterOld Forge

"schemes to use excess body heat from one building to warm another (Sweden);" - Does this mean I can get an EU subsidy by covering my land with barns full of hot Swedish women?

Oct 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM | Registered CommenterSalopian

"The UK has enjoyed massive growth in the green economy with 110,000 green jobs. Climate change policies also help us reduce our imports of fossil fuels and help to give us the lead in smart technologies as resources become more scarce."

And we have policies to make/keep them scarce...

Oct 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterSteveW

The European Commission believes that policies to cut greenhouse gases will only work if individuals share the vision of a low-carbon society. "We are now emphasising the need to inspire people."

I am personally deeply inspired by power cuts; I hope the rest of Europe wil soon be equally inspired.

PS I can't see excess body heat working much for Sweden at -30C in the winter.

Oct 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterBilly Liar

Capell

Some where here but no longer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/04/dragons-den-solar-bust

Oct 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Reading between the lines it looks like von Harrabin is slowly backing away from the eco-dreck:

The campaign title "Worldulike" will doubtless raise eyebrows. The name is uncomfortably reminiscent of the British baked potato restaurant chain Spudulike.

He didn't have to write that paragraph. Then
Experts in media and marketing have criticised politicians in the past for failing to show people how climate policies could make their own lives better in the short term, as well as reducing planetary risk in the longer term.

An old beeber trick - using unnamed "experts" to insert the writer's own views.

Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterJack Hughes

"excess body heat"

I guess we're all going to have to huddle together soon, anyway.

I'll join Salopian in one of his barns if I may...

Oct 8, 2012 at 11:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

British baked potato restaurant chain Spudulike.

Odd, I always thought they were Turkish: Spoo-doo-li-kay.

Still, nice to see the Green/Left hasn't lost its touch for unintentional self-parody.

Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 AM | Registered Commenterrickbradford

Doitallulikerus?

Every four years someone suggests a new Bond villain "Feltodd", A very poor contraction of Blofeld and Oddjob but what can you do?

Oct 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Reed

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