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Saturday
Mar192011

A piece of Stringer

Bob Ward pens about Graham Stringer MP at the New Scientist blog. To tell the truth, I'm not sure what his point is.

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I just love the finishing remark by Ward

Perhaps Stringer should remember that, as US senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan once observed, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

I believe that is advice he should take.

Mar 19, 2011 at 5:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Don Pablo:
Presumably by "he" you are referring to Ward, not Stringer.

Mar 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterMorley Sutter

Perhaps my comment won't get through.. it's too Bob-Wardesque

This is Bob Ward of the Libya-funded LSE?

Mar 19, 2011 at 5:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterSimon Hopkinson

Why does the New Scientist allow such nasty, snide, put downs masquerading as comment on its website?

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:06 PM | Unregistered CommenternotBob

A disappointing performance by Bob Ward, privately funded PR attack dog/typing instructor at the Lybian School of Eccentric plagiarized vanity degrees for dictator's sons.

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

It reads like something from Private Eye's contributor, Phil Space.

As for 'own facts', Bob should be well familiar with those by now!

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

ZT

"dog/typing instructor"

Not what you meant, of course, but it momentarily conjured up an amusing picture!

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Hello, I'm Bob Ward, your dog/typing instructor. Cough, please.

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

For info: I posted the following as a comment at New Scientist blog.

"everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts".

BoB!
And your facts are?

"emails hacked from the Climatic Research Unit"

So BoB, you know for a fact that these emails were hacked? Shouldn't you be reporting this to the Norfolk Constabulary who have yet to conclude their investigations.

Mar 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

What his point is, Bishop, is that someone "important" (ie someone who might possibly be listened to) has attacked gorebull warbling.
He must react to that. Pavlov would be so proud of him!

Mar 19, 2011 at 7:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterSam the Skeptic

Anoneumouse

BoB! - with two capital B's - is that the Blackadder pronunciation?

In the article BoB refers to

the impacts of unmitigated rises in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases

where the supporting facts from AR4 relating to impacts turned out to be grey literature opinions. The concepts of facts and opinions are clearly interchangeable in the mind of BoB.

Mar 19, 2011 at 7:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterR2

In the linked article, Ward says

[…] and further that the best economic analysis shows the costs of dealing with the impacts of unmitigated rises in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases would be far greater than cost-effective measures to reduce emissions.

What ‘cost-effective measures’? Is he claiming that renewables are going to save the planet?

What is this assertion that there are ‘cost-effective measures’ that can reduce emissions based on?

Or is it just the usual (biomass-fuelled) boilerplate?

Mar 19, 2011 at 9:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterBBD

everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

This quote is getting tiresome. It is repeated so often and there is just so much wrong with it.

Who owns the facts in a cop shop? Who determines the facts in a courtroom? Is it fact that we are on the way to a climate apocalypse? Or is the fact that scientists believe we are, and that people bought that fact?

What's worse is that the quote is attributed to a politician. A politician for fr@k's sake! One of those people who create facts by turning opinion into facts!

Mar 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM | Unregistered CommentersHx

Facts are what the BoB say they are. He's a PR man. He knows these things. He is a smart fellow telling an elected MP what they should be thinking. What could possibly go wrong with that marketing strategy?

Mar 19, 2011 at 11:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

It is notable that Ward shows he really respects politicians more than scientits here and displays his canny eye.

Wards's language is ironcally bereft of ad hom when he knows he is dealing with a (even cursory) power wielder.

Mar 20, 2011 at 12:53 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Leopard In The Basement

Leopard - "scientits"? I think you've just coined a very apposite word.

Mar 20, 2011 at 2:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterTim Bromige

Bishop, I guess Mr Ward's objective was to make himself feel better. His point is the spin he puts on the facts that, burried under the rhetoric, are not too far (for him) from fairly reported. The job he has is to push water uphill, and I am sure he will be pleased with the way his effort displays his undoubted skills to future potential employers, and maybe he also had this in mind when he penned his peice.

Nevertheless, he will, I guess, be feeling pretty dissapointed by the responses beneath his article in the New Scientist.

Mar 20, 2011 at 2:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterEcclesiastical Uncle

Wards's language is ironcally bereft of ad hom when he knows he is dealing with a (even cursory) power wielder.

That just nails it. Bob Ward fears Graham Stringer because Stringer is the kind of person who create facts.

Mar 20, 2011 at 3:34 AM | Unregistered CommentersHx

What’s the point of Bob Ward? Good question. He seems to be saying:
1) Official enquiries say there’s nothing wrong with Professors deleting stuff to hide what they’ve been up to.
2) New Scientist readers are too thick or ill-informed to see through his argument.

Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM | Unregistered Commentergeoffchambers

At the time of writing this, there is not one comment below the article in support of Ward's position.

Mar 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterPeter Dunford

Booker Buggers BoB

Mar 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

Booker Buggers BoB

Mar 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

Attack BoB now has so many things to pee against, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Mar 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

The New Scientist blog now carries a lengthy and very revealing comment from David Holland, regarding mischievous treatment of his damning inquiry submission.

Mar 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

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