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Waking policemen

Norfolk Constabulary have finally issued a statement about their investigation of Climategate:

After a two-year enquiry into the unauthorised publication of e-mails and other data taken unlawfully from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, detectives have confirmed that the release of further documents on the Internet will be considered by the investigation.

This is an extremely unusual and complex case which continues to be played out on the World Wide Web.

The enquiry team has, however, been determined and persistent in following all relevant lines of enquiry, some of which have been international in nature. This adds further levels of complexity and can be time consuming as legislation, policy and practice varies considerably between countries. Such enquires continue and the investigation team awaits the outcome of these.
The officer leading the investigation, Detective Superintendent Julian Gregory who is Head of the Norfolk and Suffolk Major Investigation Team, said he understood the frustration of those who wanted to understand more about how the lines of enquiry have progressed but says that would not have assisted his team.

"I understand that people will want to know how the investigation is going but keeping tight-lipped about what were we are doing was a necessary part of our investigative strategy.

"Now two years on, we are reviewing the outcomes of the enquiries so far with a view to making a decision about the future. Yesterday's release of further information has given us fresh lines of enquiry to follow up."

Det Supt Gregory confirmed that his team had been assisted in the early stages by the Metropolitan Police, who had provided valuable advice and guidance in the early stages of the investigation.  The team has also received ongoing assistance from the National Domestic Extremism Unit.

Note to Editors
As a consequence of various Freedom of Information requests it is widely known that expenditure on the investigation has been relatively low over the past year. To put this into context it is relevant to note that the figures released relate only to additional expenditure and do not include officer and staff time on the investigation, which is not routinely recorded. There is not necessarily a correlation between expenditure, investigative activity and investigative effectiveness.

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Reader Comments (25)

Good to see them on the job and chasing all the fresh leads, wherever they may go. Very impressive. We should see a Hockey Stick in their expenses now, I am sure.

Nov 23, 2011 at 6:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

......and we will therefore be going back to sleep for another two years.

Nov 23, 2011 at 6:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterJack Savage

"There is not necessarily a correlation between expenditure, investigative activity and investigative effectiveness."

Who would have guessed?

Nov 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterNix

"the National Domestic Extremism Unit."

Good grief, way beyond remit, paranoia ruling dull heads here.

Nov 23, 2011 at 7:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

Oops a slip in their copy '...about what were we are doing was a necessary part of our investigative strategy...' i.e. 'were' needed to be changed to 'are' - in order to pretend that something was actively happening prior to the rude awakening yesterday.

Nov 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

I live in Chipping Campden, a little Cotswolds town of about 2.000 people. There have been 8 burglaries here in the last couple of months that I'm aware of. The latest ploy is to steal a vehicle, drive it to the property that you fancy, use a battering ram on the front door, take what you like, and bugger off. One shop was done twice in a couple of weeks. The museum had hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of irreplaceable old silverware taken. Probably be melted down and sold for a few quid. It takes the police about 30 mins to get here. Strangely, it seems the criminals know this. The old police station in Campden is now the tourist info place.

The attitude of the police has been "if they're determined to break in, then they will, and unfortunately there's not much we can do."

Totally OT I know. But I'm not that fond of the police at the moment. So, Norfolk constab, good luck with the computers.

Nov 23, 2011 at 7:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames Evans

IMO Norfolk plod have been told to sit on the UEA server for as long as possible so that no one else can get to access to it to examine the emails stored on it.

IMO this is why FOIA has released the latest set of emails and in particular why he/she has included the password protected All.7z file.

It really has gone beyond a joke that the police can be controlled by the ruling establishment in this way. Add to this the the further delays in the CPS failing to bring a case against BuffHuhne and one can't come to any other conclusion other than that we now have prima facie evidence of just how institutional corrupted the UK police force has become by the ruling establishment these days.

Nov 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterKevinUK

To put this into context it is relevant to note that the figures released relate only to additional expenditure and do not include officer and staff time on the investigation, which is not routinely recorded. There is not necessarily a correlation between expenditure, investigative activity and investigative effectiveness.

I assume that when they responded to your FOI request in a full and complete manner, as befits those who enforce the law, they categorically stated that the expenditure figures did not include officer and staff time?

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

What on earth has "the National Domestic Extremism Unit" got to do with Climategate? Who exactly are the domestic extremists? As far as I know no wind turbines have been demolished by sceptics so they cannot be the extremists. Surely the police do not think that "the Team" are the extremists?

Couldn't some MP do something to justify his/her existence by tabling a parliamentary question about the nature of the "extremism" that the Norfolk police are investigating?

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoy

Interview with Investigator-in-chief here:

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterOld Hoya

Just goes to show if you want the police to respond you have to be a Guardian journalist.

Two years of us asking, "What the hell is going on?" and we get nothing (apart from incomplete responses to FOI requests and hints that Richard Black and the UEA know what has happened), but the Guardian's Damien Carrington calls for the head of the hacker and the police jump. "Yes SIr!"

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

Will they be as dogged at investigating deliberate breaches of FOI law?

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

Are these the same police who are waiting for Chris Huhne to turn himself in after writing a full confession?

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

@Nov 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM | KevinUK

Precisely the conclusion I came to, Kevin!

After all, just because none of the "Inquiries" could be bothered to look at all the other emails, and because the politicians, the print Media, the Beeb, the Royal Society etc etc (ad nauseam) have all bent over backwards to give the UEA CRU team a squeaky clean bill of health doesn't mean that (a) the team themselves and (b) Norfolk's Finest haven't trawled through the whole ¼ Million emails that potentially might come out and burnt some midnight oil deciding how best to respond to any second (or third) release by FOIA.

And that's why Climategate 2 is entertaining but ultimately will change nothing.

When people are shivering in the dark, there will have to be some urgent action. Until then, the corrupt, venal and incompetent "science" may have crashed and burned. But the Renewable Energy and Carbon Trading scams carry on regardless.

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin Brumby

When the enterprising hacker’s not a-hacking
(not a-hacking)
When denialists aren’t spreading lies and doubt
They love to give the scientists a smacking
(give a smacking)
And question what the hockeystick‘s about.

When the model from the tem-per-ature differs
(-ature differs)
And sceptics mutter “what about the sun?”
Taking Phil Jones’ declarations with Keith Briffa’s
A policeman’s lot is not a happy one.

Nov 23, 2011 at 8:59 PM | Unregistered Commentergeoffchambers

The Guardian version of consistency on hacking and leaks:

Nobel peace prize: Bradley Manning tops reader poll
Bradley Manning heads our reader poll on who should win this year's Nobel peace prize

Failure to catch climate email hacker is the real scandal
While evidence of global warming grows ever clearer, we are still in the dark over who is putting climate scientists' emails online

Nov 23, 2011 at 9:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterJarmo

"The team has also received ongoing assistance from the National Domestic Extremism Unit"

Extremism - publishing e-mails that expose the "science" behind forcing pensioners to chose between food and warmth in order to keep Jones et al in the life to which they have become accustomed and Goldman Sachs hip deep in carbon trading profits.

Ah.. to be an extremist.

Nov 23, 2011 at 9:01 PM | Unregistered Commenter3x2

Guardian (Hickman's) take on it is up now

Nov 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

Visions of Monty Python from where I sit (with a glass of wine and four days off). :)

Nov 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil R

Operation Cabin eh?
I'll leave that to Josh.

Nov 24, 2011 at 12:15 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Reed

Need to call our allies. Get clearance. Security implications, MI5. MI6. CIA, NATO, SEATO, Moscow.

Nov 24, 2011 at 2:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterRick Bradford



Nov 24, 2011 at 8:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Domestic Extremism?????????????

Is that like having your racist granny living in your home.

Also a policeman called 'Julian' .... honestly, come on, really.... is anyone going take this investigation seriously when they find out the name of the person in charge, "no offence, but you haven't got someone called Tom, Dick or Harry who can do the job".

Nov 24, 2011 at 9:20 AM | Unregistered CommenterMac

Mac: Also a policeman called 'Julian' ....

His deputy is called 'Sandy'.

Nov 24, 2011 at 1:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterJane Coles

Julian and Sandy. LOL

How easy one forgets.

Nov 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterMac

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