Monday
Nov212011
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Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill Mail pulls the Harrabin story
It appears that the Sunday Mail's story on the BBC and the Harrabin/Smith seminars has been pulled - the copy posted at GWPF has been taken down too.
We await further developments.
Update on Nov 21, 2011 by
Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill
It's been down, but it looks like it's back, and unchanged to boot.
Reader Comments (46)
Wow, an Orwellian 'Unstory'?
I believe it still exists on Climate Realists if it is the same article. The credited scource is the Daily Mail but they appear to have pulled it !
http://climaterealists.com/?id=8688
Is it the same article ?
A good way to ensure the story gets even more publicity.
Of course there are numerous copies elsewhere on the web, eg here.
I believe it still exists on Climate Realists if it is the same article. The credited scource is the Daily Mail but they appear to have pulled it !
http://climaterealists.com/?id=8688
Is it the same article ?
Lawyers and a possible factual mistake one would obviously guess...
Now why would the lawyers insist that this story be removed? And whose lawyers wold those be?
Jiminy
Not even that. All it takes is a threat and most editors will remove a story as the least hassle option, in my limited experience. Harrabin must've been rattled. In any case its futile - the story is out, no way to put it back now.
And here;
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
but no screen cap.
Having reread the story just now, there's not much to dispute in terms of the facts. The money from Tyndall is acknowledged (and we have the invoices anyway).
Unless it's gone sub judice, the court may have asked for them to be removed.
Curious and curiouser.
Has Harrabin come over all litigious?
Disappointed with the Mail, whatever happened to damnation by publishing and sticking by your words?
Its probably just a threat by a disgruntled Harrabin or a very minor point. I couldn't see anything wrong with the article, all justifiable.
All the mail has to do - David Rose are you reading this - is to publish the invoices.
Busted.
Perhaps Roger Harrabin and Joe Smith decided to create a super-injunction sized story to optimally describe their activities?
They'll just have to do what they used to do in the old USSR when an "unapproved" story got out - send the KGB round all the newspaper vendors to collect the copies and put out a radio announcement that citizens who had bought the paper should hand it in at their nearest police station.
The BBC should be quite good at that.
I thought that you knew BBC means Big Brother Corporation
You guys really need a British Tea Party, you do.
At least support TV Licence Resistance
[Snip - let's wait to see what the complaint is shall we?]
The BBC Trust have revealed paid-for-content programming, and FOIA has revealed strong suspicions of paid-for-content journalism at the BBC.
Who is acting here, Dr Joe Smith, the Open University, Roger Harrabin or the BBC?
There is no point in closing the stable door thru litigation when the news horse has already bolted.
Don't they teach that at the BBC College for Journalism?
I do hope that if any injunction has been taken out against David Rose/The Mail, then it will be Harrabin who pays the legal bills and not the BBC license payers.
TO THE COMMENTER SIGNED BBD @ Nov 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM
This screen name is already in use on this blog - please choose another.
Thanks.
Having been described as a 'Flat-Earther' by warmists, I am keen to find out where Harrabin's hole leads should he not stop digging it. Or is that Smith down there?
Here's another version online: http://climatologyplagiarism.blogspot.com/2011/11/bbcs-mr-climate-change-accepted-15000.html.
The possibilty should be considered that the agents seeking to eliminate the story are not Harrabin or Smith, but the BBC Trust and/members of its Editorial Standards Committee. Going after the Daily Mail or the GWFP means carrying a big stick, one big enough to secure the vacuum we are now seeing.
Well done you quick people for giving the location of other copies of this story. I had saved it in my favourites (and if it's REALLY cataclysmic news, I also save it to my HD as a web page, which I now have done!) and of course, like others, have found the article 'unavailable'. Well done!
Let's not get distracted by the money, though important.. and the BBC very misguided to allow it.
I'm sure that Roger and Joe's intentions were sincere, they BELIEVE..
The issues are not the money, (ie not finacial gain) but how such activists had soich influence, on BBC policy.
Especially, the seminar..
Did key fact, ever say, who the 2 from the Tyndall centre were...
Perhaps a factual error is that the article implies Tyndall Centre = UEA, but in fact it involves several universities?
Is this the original article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063737/BBCs-Mr-Climate-Change-accepted-15-000-grants-university-rocked-global-warning-scandal.html
At first glance it looks unchanged. Perhaps someone could check.
I just read the article for the first time. I was struck by the fact that Harrabin organised the conferences at which senior BBC personnel were given the full CAGW treatment. But what really struck me further was that Harrabin claimed skeptics were at these conferences. Anyone owning up to being there ?
Yes its back and unchanged.
I'd say the Mail is sticking two fingers up to Harrabin.
The ball, as they say, is now in his court.
Mactheknife:
What, now? And blow all one's sceptic credentials in one go?
I jest, of course. Good question.
I'm pleased the Mail has re-instated the article and, it would seem, are sticking to their guns. I'm sure it would have been most enlightening to have viewed the email correspondence surrounding the mystery: who tried to bring what pressure on whom, and so on. One can only speculate.
Going back to which sceptics were there, this is from Tony Newbery's Harmless Sky two days ago:
So North was one sceptic invited, as the Bish no doubt remembers but I didn't until just now.
I'm not even sure that RD North is very sceptic anyway, but my guess is that it's him that Smith and Harrabin had in mind.
The article now back on the site is unchanged.
Tony N and His Grace, in their submission to the BBC Trust Impartiality Enquiry, quote Richard D North as saying:
“So far as I can recall I was alone in being a climate change sceptic (nothing like a denier, by the way) on both the science and policy response”.
The only other person known to have been invited, named in the submission, is Andrew Simms, an environmental activist who warns Guardian readers of the coming end of the world on the first of every month (“x Months and Counting...”).
Bishop, and who am I to dispute the scepticity-rating you assign to any mortal? :)
David Rose, something tells me that er, there's something that you're not telling. But thanks again for your contribution yesterday - and hey presto, again today!
It is probably fair to say, Andrew Simm's is every so slightly on the pro-side of the debate ;-)
Andrew Simms (has done a number of things)
10:10 Campaign Board Member,
New Economic Foundation (NEF), Head of Climate Programme.
Greenpeace UK board member,
co-author of The Green Deal Report,
founder of the 100 Month initiative,
Trustee of TERI Europe (alongside Rajendra Pachauri, Sir John Houghton and Sir Crispin Tickell)
all the links here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/18/the-carbon-brief-the-european-rapid-response-team/
I thought this was another Mail fiasco, but if the article's back it's obviously a new Gallipoli for the BBC
That's a great photo in the Mail story of Attenborough wrapped up against the Arctic warmth .
Did someone say the GWFP had taken down the article as well? Have they got it back up? I cannot see it on the site. I was hoping they would shed some light on why it went down.
@PeterH, for probably the same reason BH snipped someone who posted it in full here. No need to get involved in someone else's fight, well not until you know the opponents, the rules and the weapons.
Bish
"I'm not even sure that RD North is very sceptic anyway"
Shame it wasn't the other Dr North. Things might have turned out differently, then!
Jimmy
“Attenborough wrapped up against the Arctic warmth”
So cold, he’s pulled up a polar bear! That photo is crying out for a caption - I’m sure Josh could think of something.. :-)
Nice to see it back - now keep up the (very) good work, Mr Rose! I'm sure there's a lot more to come. And while I'm here thanks for all your sterling work on exposing the Great Scam, Bish.
"crying out for a caption"
So you can...
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