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Moderation in all things

I'm just wondering if I'm the first author on the Guardian website whose comments are on premoderation at the same time...

If you are having comments deleted at the Guardian, do feel free to post them here.

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Stranger things have happened at Guardian CiF. One frequent commmenter, GPWayne, has been promoted to contributor, despite frequently having had comments removed for abusive behaviour. One I reported for racism (it referred jokingly to slit-eyed Chinamen). Another referred slightingly to the size and effectiveness of my virile member. It’s still up a year later (the comment, I mean).

Sep 10, 2010 at 7:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergeoffchambers

Hush, keep it quiet, you will make Bob jealous, bet he ain't got one of them

Sep 10, 2010 at 7:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

they have let one of mine appear.. (1st time for months)

I have just reposted an earlier one. lets wait and see.....

Sep 10, 2010 at 7:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

One question - Bob got his reply in quick, does this mean he knew about the response and contents beforehand ?

I know, I am naive...

Sep 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris


The Guardian didn't say they were going to do this, but I can only assume that they did.

Sep 10, 2010 at 7:59 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

You must be on a special hit list. My comments always go straight up, although they are often moderated just as quickly.

Sep 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris S

The other strange feaure about Bob's reply is completely missing the link back to Andrew's rebuttal. It's almost as if he only saw a text version when preparing his reply.

Sep 10, 2010 at 8:20 PM | Unregistered Commenterjono


The drafts that were sent backwards and forwards between me and the Guardian had no links in them.

Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

BH wrote:

"The drafts that were sent backwards and forwards between me and the Guardian ..."

OMG, are you telling us that your response had to undergo "peer review" before the Guardian would accept it?! The timing of Ward's non-responsive reply (as you highlighted in another post) is very suspicious. Could it be that he was one of the "reviewers"?

Too bad they apparently didn't apply the same, uh, "principles" to Ward's original, eh?!

Sep 10, 2010 at 8:39 PM | Unregistered Commenterhro001

one of the things that stands our is just how angry the supporters of Mann Made Global Warming (tm) is just how angry they get when their belief system is challenged...and the angrier they get, the more robust the criticism is of their belief!


Sep 10, 2010 at 8:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterMailman

Geoff --
Thanks for the chuckle!

Sep 10, 2010 at 9:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterHaroldW

Forget about deleted - Never appeared at the Guardian (a few hours ago:)

---- My first Guardian Missing Comment - just after Jo abbess at ( 4.50 pm)) ----

Andrew Montford has posted about this at Bishop Hill
Bob Ward was first to comment there.

So I imagine a link is not out of order.

My comments below..

How fortunate. Andrew runs an honest blog.
Ie you are allowed to post comments there...

I wonder how the MP's will treat paid advocates of CAGW, like Bob Ward, soon..
These comments from GrahamStringer (MP), do not bode well.

"Everybody on the [House of Commons Science and Technology] Committee last time asked that there be no gaps between our report, and the Muir Russell report and the Oxburgh Report - but there are huge gaps. The Muir Russell people and the Oxburgh people didn't talk to each other, so there were bound to be gaps. We are left with the science left unlooked at. --Graham Stringer MP, The Register, 10 September 2010

Graham Stringer says the practices exposed at CRU undermine the scientific value of paleoclimatology, in which CRU is a world leader. "When I asked Oxburgh if [Keith] Briffa [CRU academic] could reproduce his own results, he said in lots of cases he couldn't. "That just isn't science. It's literature. If somebody can't reproduce their own results, and nobody else can, then what is that work doing in the scientific journals?" Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 10 September 2010

Bob, there is even your recent embarrasing attempt to spin, Andrew's appearance on Newsnight, where other commentors caught you out, and the BBC REMOVED your comments....

Why is that....

See the other comments there to find out.

Newsnight Comment:
24. At 7:39pm on 23 Aug 2010, Bob Ward wrote:
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

Newsnight Comment:
26. At 9:16pm on 23 Aug 2010, Alex Cull wrote:
As Bob Ward has just mentioned, Andrew Montford will be providing a welcome sceptical viewpoint re the role of climate change (if any) in tonight's programme.

I've just been to his blog, by the way, and "bragging" is hardly a fair description of what he wrote:

"I've been invited to appear on Newsnight tonight to talk about the Pakistani floods and climate change. Should be interesting."

Andrew Montford is a man who lets the facts speak for themselves, Mr Ward, as I'm sure you may now be aware."


I asked the BBC to keep your comments up, to show what you are made of....
They eventually, allowed a link to where it was reproduced.

Newsnight Comment
64. At 7:33pm on 31 Aug 2010, Barry Woods wrote:
As some of these comments do not make a great deal of sense, following the removal of Bob Ward's (Grantham Institute)at 24.

Perhaps a link to where it is reproduced will be allowed....

"I see that Andrew Montford is bragging on his Bishop Hill blog that he is an interviewee on this evening’s programme about the link between the floods in Pakistan. His only contribution to the climate change debate so far has been a controversial book about palaeoclimatology, so it is not clear what his expertise on climate change and extreme weather is meant to be."

Bishop Hill is the blog of A J MONTFORD, the author of 'The Hockey Stick Illusion' and the book that is being referred to.. The iconic graph used in the IPCC reports, and the film 'The Inconvenient Truth'

He writes about his appearance on Newsnight here...

Sep 10, 2010 at 9:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

They let this one appear - I had copied it into Bishop Hill.
So no excuse, my account is working, they are CHOOSING NOT TO allow comments.

Comment that DID appear...
Does - reward - (1st Comment!) and presumably Bob Ward - In this instance speak for himself personally, or in his role as policy and communications director at the Grantham Institute.

Maybe he could clarify that.

Sep 10, 2010 at 9:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Bish - Did you know about Ward's original article before it went up then ? Just so we have full disclosure as they say in the colonies.

Sep 10, 2010 at 9:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris

I had tried an earlier version, criticising the Guardian..

------- Another missing Guardian comment:

Andrew Montford has posted about this at Bishop Hill
Bob Ward was first to comment there.

So I imagine a link is not out of order.

My comments below..

How fortunate. Andrew runs an honest blog.
Ie you are allowed to post comments there...

etc,etc, as above....

Sep 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

In his CIF profile, Graham Wayne s now a "writer, journalist and broadcaster" but only the Guardian has employed him to do any of these things in recent years.

Somebody should cache this for a rainy day:

Sep 10, 2010 at 11:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterAndrew

Ahh... The Bishop is on a 24 hour "article probation". Interesting... I can not seem to find a Bob post in the comment section of his article. It may be true, we may see tomorrow.

Sep 11, 2010 at 12:02 AM | Unregistered Commenterintrepid_wanders

Come on! She is a sensitive lady. Relearn old skills. Rise to the challenge.

Sep 11, 2010 at 12:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

Replica Watches, loved your comments about this fantastic site.
Slightly unneeded but I totally agree with you. The Good Bishop has a very rare genius, to annoy while engaging, To keep coming back from the last position, from where I'd placed him, to the first blog that I now go to. Dunno why, but this is now my favourite climate blog. Damn, it's not the best, but it has an hypnotic charm.
I'd hate it if I ever get banned from here. I just respect the commentators, well most of them, so much.
Ach weel, that's just my opinion.

Sep 11, 2010 at 3:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoyfomr

I post a lot on CIF on various threads but (luckily) have not seen this "premoderating" censorship yet.
They fear you more: more well known.

Sep 11, 2010 at 5:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterAntonyIndia

Royfomr... I think you missed that the guy is just spamming to sell fake watches.

Sep 11, 2010 at 5:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterPete Hayes

Tried to put this on the Guardian article yesterday evening, premoderation message.
AND has NEVER appeared.... Jo Abbess is rampant I see. yet she has stuff appear and then deleted.
As mine does not even have this evidence. just looking at the comments in the Guardian, gives a false message of the debate.

What is wrong with my comment, factual with direct links 'evidence' to back up my comments.

---------------------------- Missing gUardian comment---

So Bob Ward gets to post 2 MINUTES after, the article appears...

And Andrew Montford, (the article's author) gets lost in pre-moderation...


I see Jo Abbess (Campaign Against Climate Change - activist) has made an early appearance at the Guardian. I have just made a post at the Guardian, I wonder how long it will take to appear.

Jo may have had a heads up... ie her activists group has a daily email sceptics alert.
Sceptic Alerts:

But this times as it is the GUARDIAN, I doubt if they had to wait for the article to appear.
George Monbiot (Guardian) is honourary president of this group.
Also includes Caroline Lucas - first UK Green MP, other MP's and 2 MEP's..

They also target newspaper article comments sections for CAGW activists to do there work.
A particular favourite, is the Telegraph, Christopher Booker articles, and the Daily Mail, if anything sceptical appears.

Or, as JO is party to Bob Ward's private email correspondence, anyway, as she puts on her blog.. Where she prints a not to be copied, press complaint to the press complaints - regarding the Daily Express.

James Pavitt:
"They have asked my not to forward their communications with me to others."

Yet, Bob Ward, Jo Abbess George Marshall, John Nissen, and now anybody with an internet connection (ie see jo's blog)

Sep 11, 2010 at 7:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Dear Bish

What did you do to get so cruelly dumped into the premoderation limbo?

It happened to me and I was there for ever, so I rejoined using a new moniker (don't forget to use a different e-mail and change your IP address).

Sep 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterO'Geary


I was put on moderation (a) for mentioning the CLimategate emails (b) for saying, at the bottom of a post in which Monbiot called for Phil Jones to resign, that I thought Monbiot should resign.

Sep 11, 2010 at 3:18 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

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