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Thoughtful comment in the Atlantic

From the comments on Clive Crook's Atlantic piece:

Clive Crook.

You deserve to die and your children need to be taken out of the gene pool...

You are so incredibly fucking retarded you rival even McMegan. It's ridiculous how a child-raping mongrel like yourself can be hired by the same magazine that employs Andrew Sullivan. I should flay you and your wife and have you trade skins, you absolute waste of all human components.

"Had Crook actually read the link he provides, he would know that since it clearly states that after thoroughly reviewing all of the relevant material, “The Inquiry Committee determined there was no substance to this allegation and further investigation of this allegation was not warranted,” for each of the first three allegations.

I have no idea where Crook came up with the phrase he puts in quotes “lack of credible evidence” — if anyone can find the source for that exact word-for-word quote, please let me know. Note: The original report (which Crook seems unaware of) uses the phrase “there exists no credible evidence” a number of times, but that is not the same as what Crook wrote.

To assert that Penn State “will not even investigate” three of the four charges and imply that they dismiss them out of hand without thorough examination is, I think, libel."

You can't even read, you useless little academic. Tell me again, why do you think you deserve to live when you continue to embarrass everything connected with yourself?


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If I were to guess, I'd say he's a bit angry.

Just guessing though.

Aug 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterLuis dias

This and other comments along similar lines, such as this August 4 article in the Los Angeles Times, show the direction in which the frustrated environmental movement is now inevitably headed: a descent into violent terrorism.

It will take a while for the demented fringe to sell this program to themselves, they will have to accept first that their fantasy about taking over the world economy is gone for good, but it is already abundantly clear that the hate, and the enablers on the sidelines egging them on, are already present.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

Don Pablo's rules:

1) Never drink and drive

2) Never drink and blog

3) Never blog while angry

4) Never blog while smoking strange shit.

I sure hope he doesn't break the first rule as well.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

I think I will move to Nevada and get me a M2. With people like this running around, I might need it.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

This is a typical example of adolescent rebellion. The poor sole probably has no father to spar with and must vent their adolescent frustrations online. For those raising children please remember that it is not your job to be friends and buddies, it is your job to be parents. In a broader perspective someone needs to be Axel’s dad. It is not pleasant but it is necessary.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterRedbone

This and other comments along similar lines . . . show the direction in which the frustrated environmental movement is now inevitably headed: a descent into violent terrorism.

Er, no. Let's not get carried away. It shows that Axel Kaspar Edgren is frustrated, emotionally immature and bad mannered but not much else. Eco-rednecks of his ilk have been around for years - as have Daily Mail readers discussing immigration policy.

It's knockabout stuff and nowhere near as sinister as calls by government ministers and others in positions of influence for the social ostracism of those who dare to object to the likes of wind-power schemes or papers by "academics" purporting to examine the pathology of climate "scepticism". Now that really does send shivers down my spine.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterDave B

Hey - someone else is posting as ZT - I guess that this happens with anonymous posting - but this is the first time I've seen it. Still, I agree with the other ZT's comments...

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

As Dylan sang (probably aware of, but not bothered by, the double negative!), 'Dont hate nothing at all except hatred'.

There is of course one exception to Dylan's Law i.e. politicians.

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterIan E

It's been a very bad year for warmists.

Their grand narrative - "We are all going to drown/burn/boil (delete as appropiate) unless we bow down to mighty Gaia" - has been shredded.

Ordinary people do not trust what the climate scientists are claiming after the furore over the many gates.

Now the warmist eco-loons are simply lashing out and blaming all and sundry for a situation that they themselves created and crashed.

Such offensive words are sweet music to sceptic ears.

As Corporal Jones used to say, "They don't like it up em."

They certainly don't!

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterMac

Like an obscene joke, such comments reflect not content but the nature of the teller. Unable to engage in civil discourse, rational argument, this "squalid nuisance" [Churchill on Ernest Bevin] presumes his rant will have its object quaking in his boots. But no... guffaws at such ridiculousities resound to very heaven. Would it be too much to ask this rabid ideologue to chew his puppy kibble, growl contentedly, and come to heel?

Aug 5, 2010 at 3:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Blake

Totally agree with Dave B about the possibility of getting carried away here, While it is a worthy reminder that these kind of extreme sentiments come from *both* sides. We should keep a focus on the real attempts at pathologising scepticism rather than adolescent rants like these.

Aug 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterSteve2

That editorial in the Los Angeles Times in the link posted by "the other ZT" is so wrong-headed, I don't even know where to start. It's insane.

Aug 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterPeter B

Mr. Edgren has GOT to be a plant.... his postings over at the Atlantic are caricatures of the worst-sounding chorus members of RC and CP - and even they don't come off as badly as does Mr. Edgren. The guy probably poses as a fanatical skeptic on warmist sites...

I mostly agree with Dave B - the warmists continue to have their hands on the levers of power and are proceeding as if nothing has changed. If Edgren is for real then he has all the qualifications for a good Brown shirt. I'm still waiting for the environmentalist equivalent to the Reichstag Fire.

Aug 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterRobert E. Phelan

When I read it, I thought it sounded like something Michael Mann might write. But the language was just a bit too strong, even for him.

Aug 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM | Unregistered Commenterstan

It's ridiculous how a child-raping mongrel like yourself can be hired by the same magazine that employs Andrew Sullivan.


Sorry, pal, but you just set off the Moonbat Alarm, and will be asked to vacate the future immediately.

Aug 5, 2010 at 5:11 PM | Unregistered Commentermojo

Post modern rhetoric?...

Aug 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

He goes on ... "In short, fuck Clive Crook with a serrated knife and kill his children in front of him. That is what should be done with Western journalists dragging us down into intellectual relativism..."

Aug 5, 2010 at 5:38 PM | Unregistered Commenterdenierdenier


Sorry, I was unaware of your existence. I'm happy to be ZT2.

I actually found the LA Times article significantly creepier even than the invective hurled at Clive Crook, despite the one insertion of the word 'nonviolent' near the end, because:

- It shows that prominent voices among the environmentalists have learned precisely nothing from the events of the past 12 months

- The guy being willing to sign his name to the piece shows that, on campus at least (he's a 'scholar in residence' at Middlebury College), he expects to be applauded for what he says

- The LA Times is willing to endorse his rubbish (another indication of a phenomenon likely to last a long time)

I'd like to believe that the resulting violence won't go any further eventually than what we saw from, for example, the relevant frustrated offshoots of PETA, ETA, the RAF, Action Francaise, the Anarchists, or English Catholics around the time of Guy Fawkes, to name the first ones that come to mind. The scale and quasi-religious fervor of today's environmental movement, as well as the level of indoctrination and support it routinely receives in schools and on college campuses, make this hope seem less than certain.

Aug 5, 2010 at 6:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

Sorry again!

Aug 5, 2010 at 6:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT2

Nice posts ZT2! I'm amazed that we (or our parents) picked the same fairly innocuous letter pairing. According to: this ZT has made 97 posts on the good Bishop's site. I am sure the Bishop is privy to enough IP address information to be able to determine our approximate locations, too.

But returning to the topic at hand, I found the following insights from an insider at the WWF summarized the general situation rather effectively:

(I am sure the inevitable end of the gravy train is sharpening many a claw).

Aug 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterZT

Frankly it does not disturb me at all, he was blogging and had probably a coffee too much.
Lots of desperate adjectives very little argumentation.

We all know what whitewash means and this was one.

What is disturbing is that alarmists always promote what to do with other people's money.
Never what to do with their's. They are always on the receiving end because they will, of course, coordinate wasting other people's money.Or so they hope. If you take the latter promise distinctly out of the equation for them , suddenly you will not find any repainted lefty left anymore to jump on the cause.

Aug 5, 2010 at 7:01 PM | Unregistered Commenterphinniethewoo

Sigh, I read the comments over at Clive Crook's site too. At this digital age, it's really hard to tell what everyone behind anonymity is up to. At face value, he seems like a eco fascistic loon who has too much time and too little significance, and these over-the-top invectives are his unique way to justify his significance. However, he could also be a skeptical loon who has too much time and too little significance, and these postings are his unique way to discredit his counterparts. He might even be paid to do so. Who knows.

Aug 5, 2010 at 7:10 PM | Unregistered Commentergt

@Jiminy Cricket

The term is "Post Normal"!

Just as daft.

Aug 5, 2010 at 8:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohnOfEnfield

Thanks, yes it should have been Post Normal Rhetoric :)

Aug 5, 2010 at 9:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

This article might help "balance" out the comments from the idiots.

Aug 5, 2010 at 11:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss

Re: Bill McKibben, the author of the LA Times piece. He's considered an environmental guru - and is the author of the first book about global warming for a general audience. It appeared in 1989.

I've blogged about him a few times:

Extravagant Emotional Excess

A Bogus 21-Year-Old Climate Prediction

Aug 6, 2010 at 12:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterDonna Laframboise

Pound to a penny that Axel Kaspar Edgren will be labelled as a denialist stooge planted by Fossil Fuel Addicts to discredit the righteous.
Wouldn't surprise me if someone doesn't come up with a hidden message from his name that reveals the depths that the Evil Deniers have stooped to!
The lack of taste displayed by allowing such a comment to be publically exhibited is surprising IMO. It may yet backfire.
For some reason I was reminded of the recent "non dendro" thread on CA.
The first contributor was a character "Scientist" who professed herself/itself as still getting up to speed with the topic and then doggedly persisted , and mainly succeeded, to divert the thread.
I just couldn't shake the image of a group of buddies, clustered around a computer shouting ideas out to the aforementioned poster, punching the air amidst whooping cries of delight as they effectively divert and frustrate the attentions of the naturally polite CA commentators.
Call me paranoid. I don't care anymore, I've been diagnosed as clinically mad because I entertain doubts about "settled science". I'm 60% denier but that is still 50% more substantive than the paper thin defence that, eschewing traditional logic, employs recursive appeals of authority, self-serving and post-facto interpretation of trawled datasets both topped with overwhelming egotism, is employed to disguise the paucity of their research and their collective self-preservation.
Mind you, what do I know? I'm just an Hypothesis short of any empirical evidence!

Aug 6, 2010 at 12:45 AM | Unregistered Commenterroyfomr

Now *that's* an ad hominem.........

Aug 6, 2010 at 1:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterHysteria

What is disturbing is that alarmists always promote what to do with other people's money.
Never what to do with their's.

Thatcher said it best I think when she said...
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margret Thatcher, (former) Prime Minister of Great Britain



Aug 6, 2010 at 6:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterJim Reedy


Post normal marketing?

Aug 6, 2010 at 7:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

Don Pablo,

Just stay where you are and get a small revolver. If you can't bring them down with 5 shots, then you're a goner anyway.

Just make sure you draw before they get within 15yrds.-)

Aug 6, 2010 at 11:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterGilbert

I followed the link and thank goodness I very rarely come across people suck as Axel Kaspar Edgren! I read down as far as I could until I got to the .........

"Just because CO2 is good in some doses doesn't mean a certain amount of it can never be bad. For example, how many pills with paracetamol do you take when you have a cold? Because, a certain amount is good for you, a certain amount DESTROYS YOUR LIVER."

Now help me out here guys..Is that what you lot refer to as a "Straw Man"?

My wife insists that I am not allowed to type after a trip to the pub.......I truly would love to meet Kasper in my pub and discuss CO2! (In the nicest sense!)

Such nice people Clive has to visit him! I will stick with Bishop! BLIMEY!

Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterPete Hayes

Although the evidence does suggest that this character is unlikely to have the sense to knive his way out of a wet paper bag, there are still some concerns that things could turn nasty.

And, of course, if you are poor and facing electricity bills equal to more than 100% of your State Pension by the end of the decade, then things are certainly going to be very nasty in that sense.

But rather than some campus loon commenting on a blog, I'm more worried about how the "Climate Debt" thing will play out. We've all seen that the Jihadists have found a steady stream of people quite prepared to "martyr" themselves to strike a blow against the "evil West".

How will that shape up when the rabble rousers whisper into the ears of (say) the dispossessed and grieving flood victims in Pakistan that, not only is the flooding the direct result of "the West" (and western "Climate Scientists" agree that "the science is settled") but that we aren't even going to pay our "Climate Debt"?

That could turn out nice as well!

Aug 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin Brumby

It never fails to amaze me when warmists accuse us of incivility. They do it so much better.

Aug 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

i find that reporter Peter Sinclair and his crocks much more virulent and offensive.

He has the conviction, tone and cadence of a wahabii mufti asked about what's wrong with the west
A true follower of the light..extremely irritating voice as well

anyways please delete my post for fear the BBC will make him now their science editor and the IPCC pushes him for the nobel p prize :)

Aug 6, 2010 at 8:41 PM | Unregistered Commenterphinniethewoo

A Edgren is an anagram of angered and derange

Aug 7, 2010 at 3:14 AM | Unregistered CommenterGrantB


Just stay where you are and get a small revolver. If you can't bring them down with 5 shots, then you're a goner anyway.

I already have a large revolver and more. However, with the crazies out there one may need a fully automatic weapon when they come charging at you in human waves each clutching his suicide vest, determined to save the world.

Franky, they are scary. And there are sooo many.

A few days ago Dung, I believe it was, asked if anyone is analyzing these people. At the time I admitted that I was looking at them from a behavioral psychological view point, assuming that they are not taking drugs, suffering from some strange disease, or had some other physical issue. As noted elsewhere, in the past I was very interested in the effects of such biological basis of behavior. However, either a large proportion of our population was dropped on their head when born, or there is something to the joke about Green Kool Aid.

Or perhaps a large proportion of the population cannot think at all. Even if they have advanced degrees.

OR perhaps a large proportion of the population has a need to BELIEVE in something, anything, and now that religion has fallen into disfavor, (at least in the non-Muslim world) they are finding new religions to give their lives for.

In the mean time, it is lock and load.

Aug 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Speaking of completely over the top, I'm really curious to see what reaction Gavin and Mikey and friends will have to the Mosher thread at Climate Audit right now. It's a riot. I suspect that being the butt of so much laughter is burning white hot for the Real Climate types. I would not be surprised if they are provoked to do something memorable.

Aug 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM | Unregistered Commenterstan

Axel Kaspar Edgren just said this about me at Clive Crook's latest piece:

"Despite that little rapist Watts' little detective photo hunt of the stations, it was all for nothing.

If you were a proper human, you would have bothered to find out. But you are not a "skeptic" (unlike me) and so you retain a subhuman status."

Here's his facebook page, so you can put a face with the ugliness.

Gosh, what drives people to be like this?

Aug 9, 2010 at 6:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnthony Watts

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