Wednesday
Jun302010
A late submission to Sir Muir
Jun 30, 2010 Climate: Russell Mann et al have submitted a (very late) tale of woe to Sir Muir Russell's emails review. The signatories are a veritable who's who of hockey and this team's pucks are considerably out of kilter.
They need Sir Muir to protect them from harassment, they need Sir Muir to defend the "consensus" and they want Sir Muir to write off some of the evidence completely as not being in good faith. Oh yes, and does Sir Muir know they were harassed?
Give me strength.
Read it here.
Reader Comments (93)
Please teacher, the dog ate my homework and I have to go to my Granny's funeral.
From the style I thought Jo Abbess was going to be one of the signatories. I hope Sir Muir sees this as a blatant attempt to direct him as to what his conclusions should be, and gives the cheeky buggers a good slap.
Err.. wait just cotton pickin' minute.. we were working with David Holland to revise his submission, and were told that Sir Muir would absolutely NOT be accepting any more submissions. Period. LONG before this submission was dated. What GIVES?
"Not all the evidence submitted to the ICCER comes from parties with genuine
interest in furthering scientific understanding."
...quite true, in their case.
The situation with respect to scientific understanding was competently summarized by Kelly of the Oxburgh inquiry (though apparently Kelly's views did not warrant inclusion in the report on CRU science that borrowed his name).
I wonder if Kelly would be interested in submitting his perspective to Muir Russell?
Do I detect that the Hockey Team seems worried about the influence of McIntyre?
Hold on, I've seen all those names on the bottom of that submission together somewhere before...?
The use of the word "contrarian" three times suggests it was written by Mann, as he seems to be the only person to use the word. They also have information that has not been disclosed publicly; i.e. knowledge that the emails were stolen and knowledge of illegal spying on CRU communications. How do they know these "facts"?
Now, I know I am biased, but it reads like “We know better that you how to do your job, so we will help you out with a few pointers, but in some cases they are not just pointers they are MUST do demands”
This is not a submission of evidence, it is a list of instructions and then they wonder why “Through experience, we have learned that there is no review of climate scientists’ work that isn’t deemed a “whitewash” by climate change contrarians.”
Could it be that climate scientists want to write their own reviews,now where (peer) have we (review) heard that before.
It is a side of the mouth, “look guv, you and I both know I am right, now this is ere is how we is going to fix things”
However this submission maybe clever, if Sir Muir follows any of the “instructions” it contains, there will be an immediate shout of “whitewash, doing the wishes of the team” and deflecting again away from the actual malfeasance. I wonder, I wonder…..
How long has Gavin Schmidt been employed by the WOODS INSTITUTE FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT? Has he left NASA/GISS?
The document signature blocks listing the institution first, before the name, seems to imply each person is signing for his institution. Do others see it that way?
Steve: Now I understand. A very strange way of adding signatures!
"How long has Gavin Schmidt been employed by the WOODS INSTITUTE FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT? Has he left NASA/GISS?"
Institution's name is ABOVE the signature. See below...
"The document signature blocks listing the institution first, before the name, seems to imply each person is signing for his institution. Do others see it that way?"
That is how you do it, if you're signing for the institution itself, yes.
I'd hazard a guess that they've been made privy to some early conclusions and that they don't at all like what they see. This late joint submission is a last ditch attempt to get them changed. It might also explain Mann's surprising and implausible humility in the Panorama programme earlier this week. I felt then that something pretty serious had rattled his cage.
We could speculate from the things that they write about that the inquiry team:
- They have taken Steve McIntyre seriously...maybe have even read your Grace's fine work. And have been persuaded to look at the issues he raises rather than ignore them a la Oxburgh.
- They have taken the deliberate refusal to be open and honest with data very seriously and are proposing a degree of transparency that the signatories find very uncomfortable.
- That they do not propose to make the usual statement about 'consensus de blah de blah'..and may even cast a shadow upon that structure. This would be a shake to the very foundations.
- And that Sir Muir has been less than overwhelmed by the special pleading so far about just how difficult it is to sit in an office and comply with the law of the land re FoI. Nor that nasty sceptics are making their lives a living hell while the Earth fries without them.
But most of all it tells us that these Masters of the Universe are narked in the extreme that their individual submissions have been subjected to the same rules as other mere mortals. And they need to remind us all just how important they are (little insignificant people don't get death threats) and how greater weight should be given to their self-determined 'morally pure' views than to mere non-peer-reviewed people who have not achieved AGW sainthood.
For hubris and nemesis I suggest that the inquiry send them each a copy of 'Bonfire of the Vanities' by Tom Wolfe. Good reading.
I understand that we're looking at the Usual Suspects, but how those cheeky buggers have the balls to put their names to such a blatant attempt to direct the work of an 'independent' review is beyond me. As my Old Dad used to say: "More front than Woolworths!"
Normally we Brits respond very badly to being pressurised by this sort of overt special pleading. Let's hope Sir Muir will also see it as 'poor form' and react accordingly.
This seems to me rather like opening a door to find a room full of rattlesnakes.
They are all there, rattling their little tails.
Not enough to submit like everyone else, they have to try to go around the rules of the game to try and bribe the referee.
I suppose it's a lot easier doing that than trying to compete in an honest way.
Absolutely typical and par for the course from a bunch of twisted researchers. (Scientists is too big a word for these people).
OT Important.
http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/tangled-web-to-be-closed-down.html
Just thought I'd pass this on since you are on squarespace.
Whatever your views are on the subject matter at this site, the implications are chilling.
I thought the ICCER proudly displayed on its website (as all clever committees do) that they faced a conflict of issue (with Campbell) as all serious committees usually do (dont they), successfully dealt with it with a selfless step-down, thus demonstrating its seriousness of intent and moral authority.
I thought it was all done so nicely. And now these people are complaining about it. They do not live in the real world?
And they quote DeepClimate? I think I know who drafted this letter.
I know what's troubling them.
It is Sheldon Ungar's analysis of a rampage of public and professional opinion on a paper by Enstrom and Kabat on the risks of second-hand smoke.
Sheldon Ungar is based in Toronto, is a sociologist belonging to the constructivist school. Schneider has been opposed (vehemently) to his views in the literature.
The thing is, Mike Hulme suggested the paper to them, as you all know.
These guys want to coach Muir what to make of the Ungar paper - if he ever reads it, and he should. Becuase what happened with the Enstrom and Kabat incident is uncannily similar to what is done with climate skeptics - down to every little detail.
This is funny.
followup to the "Nature" post - expect more of the same:
28 June: GloucesterTimes: Getting help from the press
Blurring the lines of national coverage
For five days, esteemed scientists and elite journalists gathered on Bonaire in the Netherlands Antilles, east of Aruba, to loll on the island's fine beaches, sip cocktails at the Tipsy Seagull and perhaps marvel at the flamingoes for which Bonaire is famous.
The official purpose of the October 2002 gathering of the Pew Charitable Trusts marine fellows was to train the scientists in the ways of the media, the better to market their message...
The scientists being trained on Bonaire had a ready pool of journalists on which to practice what they were learning about working the media. The list of reporters invited to Bonaire was a who's who of science journalism: Cornelia Dean of the New York Times, Natasha Loder of the Economist, Charles Alexander of Time magazine and Tom Hayden of U.S. News and World Report, among others.
Dean told the Gloucester Daily Times her trip to Bonaire was paid for by Pew, the powerful nonprofit that uses its multi-billion-dollar endowment to steer public policy on the environment and other issues....
While the New York Times has strict standards against junkets, Dean said, an exception is made for "teaching," and that's what she was doing in Bonaire.
"My goal was to help scientists to speak more clearly to the public," she said. ..
The journalists are wined and dined by the advocates and hired to train the scientists to use the media to advance their message.
The journalists, in turn, call on those same scientists as sources when writing about the advocates and their agenda...
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x1703942593/Getting-help-from-the-press
A letter from, it would seem, some desperately anxious people. But why? What has Muir Russell done that would suggest they have much to worry about? Is it because the weight of the submissions is such that he cannot be expected to do a complete whitewash?
What possible purpose can such a letter serve? To insinuate lines of argument? To position themselves as victims, and beg for mercy?
I have long hoped that behavioural scientists are busy collecting good data about the climate alarmists, and that one day we shall see many penetrating studies on the how, and the why, of what they have done. This letter may yet serve some noble purpose.
29 June: UK Tele: Louise Gray: Greg Barker, climate change minister: 'We cannot go on relying on foreign fuel'
Barker, a former PR executive who took his close friend David Cameron to the Arctic resulting in that infamous snap with the huskies that was dismissed as a cynical stunt by critics, is “100 per cent certain” that man-made global warming is happening. ...
This strategy is central to the Government’s Green New Deal to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent on 1990 levels by 2050. If that is to be achieved, between 400,000 and 1.8 million homes a year will have to be upgraded between now and then, at an annual cost of between £5 billion and £15 billion. ..
“We will bring new participants into the insulating business, like B&Q, Marks & Spencer or Virgin, as well as trusted energy companies like British Gas and others, to help pay for the upfront cost without the householder having to incur debt on their bills...
Mr Barker is committed to cutting carbon emissions but, unlike his predecessors in office, he doesn’t dismiss climate-change sceptics as “flat-earthers” – there are too many of them on the back benches for him to do that.
“There are people that take different views. I am not a scientist, but I do understand science is about probabilities...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/7860450/Greg-Barker-climate-change-minister-We-cannot-go-on-relying-on-foreign-fuel.html
Wait until next Tuesday. And then you will realise how vacuous your comments really are. The Russell report will quash all your conspiracy theories.
30 June: BBC Video: Roger Harrabin: Advisers urge new UK climate policies
The Committee on Climate Change calls for a "step change" in power generation, home insulation and transport...
The government says it is committed to being "the greenest ever", and is expected to bring in new energy legislation within its first year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10469837.stm
29 June: BBC: Richard Black: Advisors urge new UK climate policies
The is the committee's second annual report to parliament, and follows a year in which UK greenhouse gas emissions plummeted by 8.6%, mainly due to the recession but also because of increased fossil fuel prices.
"The recession has created the illusion that progress is being made to reduce emissions," said CCC chairman Lord Adair Turner...
The committee selects four areas where it says the step change needs to occur:....
Responding to the committee's report, Energy and Climate Change Secretary Chris Huhne said: "As the Climate Change Committee makes clear, we mustn't rely on economic recession to cut emissions.
"There has to be an enduring shift to low carbon, driving growth in new technologies, and it must be locked into the fabric of our economy in good times and bad."...
Do you think progress is being made? What changes would you like to see introduced? Send us your views using the form below:...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10456314.stm
what loaded questions at the end, richard!
Something seems a little odd that this submission was accepted 3 months after the deadline and then it was published on the ICCER site the day after the IAC Montreal meeting was broadcast when perhaps interested parties would be preoccupied. I suppose the Sir Muir schedule only applies to the plebs or perhaps everyone could write their own recommendations to Sir Muir now.
The tone and content of this vacuous and vituperative monologue is very familiar to most as the classic trademark of the climate alarmist - defensive anger and hostility, hackneyed tobacco comparison, ad hominem attacks, accusations of mischievousness, appeals to authority (their own, in this case) lack of substantive reasoned evidence af any kind, and demand that the 'science' be declared robust.
The reason it was accepted was that it was by right of reply i.e. those criticised in the report were given a right of reply. The reply has now been published for all to see - but I doubt it will change the content of the report. Though it could conceivably change the precise wording press briefing (a la Oxburgh) ...
My goodness, the wagons are circled, conestogas aflame with arrows, the pioneers running out of ammo. Where's the cavalry?
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Not about climate issues but it is interesting to see economists using similar thinking to the pro AGW scientists. ( ie. if you don't have a PhD in climate science/ economics then you cannot comment. Bloggers are just a nuisance )
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100006729/time-to-shut-down-the-us-federal-reserve/
Ross.. excellent! Love the HHGTTG parody, particularly! :o)
Thanks or nice list of those whose should be stripped of future funding and sued to recover funds mispent.
Mann (I presume it's him) declares this submission to be a response to other submissions, rather than his right of reply to the report. I don't know if this is misdirection and he's seen the body of the report and doesn't want to squeal on the panel for sharing (gut says yes; evidence says.. nowt) but I would be very surprised if Sir Muir - invited by the UEA to do an "independent" ::nod:: ::wink:: review - has written anything that properly or fairly addresses the points made in the submissions.
Of course, my presumption is based entirely on a whitewash trend line that I've drawn from the Parliamentary Enquiry, through the Oxburgh report, and a week or so into the future. We can judge it on its own merits, when it's released. If I'm wrong, and it's NOT been done over by Tom Sawyer and his mates, I'll be delighted to stand corrected.
A psychologically fascinating submission -- dripping with victimhood, as you would expect, but impressive amounts of denial and projection in there, too.
And projection doesn't get much better than the assertion that 'contrarians' used the Washington blizzards to try to 'prove that global warming was a hoax,' whereas in fact, many AGW supporters used them to bolster their case.
(National Geographic): 'As snowstorm-ravaged states on the U.S. East Coast dig out, scientists say the past week's "Snowpocalypse" could be a taste of harsh winters to come—and that, strangely enough, global warming may be to blame.
'Attributing snowstorms to warmer weather seems contradictory, but climate scientist Amanda Staudt says relatively warmer weather causes more water to be evaporated from the oceans and thus creates more moisture for winter storms, as long as temperatures remain below freezing.'
I see the author's initials are DJS. None of the signers have those initials. Anyone have an idea who it might be?
Aren't there supposed to be a couple of thousand signatures? I can't believe they didn't try to get as many names as they could.
A classic "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bull Shite" tactic.
As I have said many times before, this is not an argument based on scientific facts, but rhetoric. We need to learn that. There are several other threads posted today which underscore that point. For example, Fiona Fox and NatureNews both are filled with the dreaded "PR" word.
John Shade
I have long hoped that behavioural scientists are busy collecting good data about the climate alarmists, and that one day we shall see many penetrating studies on the how, and the why, of what they have done. This letter may yet serve some noble purpose.
Well, for what good it does, I am. However, there are many, many studies that have been around for years and what good have they done? For example:
The Power Elite. by C.Wright Mills. Oxford Press, 1956
The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer, 1951.
And of course, there is Mein Kampf in which Adolf Hitler espoused the use of Große Lüge, or big lie. You would think we would learn from that bitter lesson, yet we still find the the True Believers that Hoffer wrote about.
"Have another biscuit, Bernard?"
In his signature it looks as though Gavin Schmidt has missed out the 'm' and the 'd' from his surname...
it will take more than this to recapture our trust, BBC:
30 June: UK Tele: BBC told it must reveal salaries of biggest names
(Sir Michael Lyons, Chairman of the BBC Trust) “I do believe we should release the names of those who receive the biggest incomes from the BBC. You might try to characterise this move as a change of mind. It’s true that we’ve been listening carefully to licence fee-payers and we believe that this is one of a small number of areas where we need to recapture public confidence.” ...
The move follows a series of announcements by the BBC this week about cost-cutting measures. On Monday, Caroline Thomson, the chief operating officer, announced a cap on pay for people recruited as senior managers, and on Tuesday the corporation said that it would make cuts to its pension scheme that are designed to save £50 million a year.
The BBC has also angered union leaders by proposing a pay freeze for all staff earning more than £37,726 a year, with a flat-rate pay increase of £475 a year for lower earners.
Bectu, the broadcasting union, yesterday threatened a strike ballot if the BBC did not improve its pay offer, which it described as “insulting”...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/7864700/BBC-told-it-must-reveal-salaries-of-biggest-names.html
Mann & gang seem to be thinking that tobacco companies cause global warming. How interesting.
IRT to the Mann gang's point on weather.
The early Senate hearing that started AGW hype was infamous for having its AC turned off and to use the hot room a s a stage prop to make believe that was how AGW would make the world.
Did I miss Man & pals' condemnation of that? Or perhaps Gore's false claim that Katrina was a global warming caused storm? Or Hansen's false prediction that Manhattan island would by now be awash due to AGW?
I will carefully re-read their letter and see if it speaks to those AGW promotional frauds.
....nope. Not there. It is Ok for AGW promoters to use any prop, make any statement and ad hom any skeptic. But God help any skeptic who does something Mann & pals do not like.
So the letter, like the hockeystick, is just another prop in the theater of climate hysteria.