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Friday
Dec102010

Holland on TV

David Holland mentioned that he may appear on BBC Ten o'clock News tonight, talking about the Russell review. His appearance appears to be a backup for the Beeb, to fill a gap if nothing interesting comes out of Cancun. So it may not happen.

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I think David would be a whole lot more interesting and entertaining. So hopefully ---

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Drop the dead donkey!!! Lol

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:16 PM | Unregistered Commenterjustinert

Bound to happen.

Unless Huhne catches hypothermia from the steps of the conference hall...

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterGerry

What would rank as nothing interesting?
A new global agreement would be interesting... a complete car crash would be interesting (to a different group of people)... a BBC failure to report from Cancun on the last day of the conference would be extremely noteworthy in itself.

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:48 PM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

Or,

Hyperthermia: Overheating of the body - may be due to extreme weather conditions.

The definition does not mention climate:)

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

The BEEB are not likely to report that Chris Huhne, the Climate Change Secretary, has been accused of misleading the United Nations climate conference in Cancun by falsely attributing natural events to man-made global warming. Are they?

http://www.thegwpf.org/uk-news/2017-chris-huhne-accused-of-misleading-un-climate-summit.html

Dec 10, 2010 at 5:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

Even if nothing interesting come out of Cancun, Richard Black won't miss an opportunity for self-publicity and to spread the propaganda. A fiver says David Holland won't be on. I'll drop a fiver in the tip box (when it next appears) if David is on; well worth the cost. Any other takers?

Dec 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

I wonder if Richard Black will report the record low temperatures at Cancun as reported at WUWT. A fiver says he won't.

Dec 10, 2010 at 5:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

According to one website, the Average temperature for Cancun in December is 81-83 F HERE

Yet this week it appears to be in the mid 70's HERE

Definite proof of Global Warming, for sure.

Dec 10, 2010 at 5:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Just seen David Holland on BBC 6 o'clock news. The report seems to be a bit of a climb down from usual BBC alarmism.

Dec 10, 2010 at 6:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris S

Oh, perhaps I should have watched it all the way through. It started off with metre sea-level rises and all the usual guff, so I turned off the telly rather than throw something at it.

Dec 10, 2010 at 6:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterNeal Asher

He appeared on 6pm news, as did Pielke of Colorado University. It added a little balance to the usual alarmism - which, as far as I can see, remains the government line.

Dec 10, 2010 at 7:31 PM | Unregistered Commenteroldtimer

There's also been a report on BBC News 24 (Holland & Pielke)

Dec 10, 2010 at 8:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterQ

re "nothing interesting out of Cancun,", I take it everybody has read Lord Monckton's missive #3 over at WUWT?

Dec 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterTim Bromige

R4 7pm news. Black reporting from Cancun about v. gloomy prospects for the last day of the conference.

Dec 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

It is most heartening that while Black continues to issue nauseating nugatory pap, Paul Hudson can't contain his excitement in blog after blog about cold records tumbling.

Dec 10, 2010 at 9:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

Expect all our usual warmist commentators and columnists to deliver 'Plan B stories' which are meaningless in scale compared to the Great Carbon Rip Off That Failed.

Nevertheless, these minor initiatives will be pumped up for all they are worth.

They are merely fig-leafs to cover up their embarassment and shame at the latest non-event.

Dec 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterGerry

He was on and the whole piece was surprisingly 'balanced' for the BBC. Holland and Pielke Jr shoehorned in and uncertainty mentioned by the presenter.

Now there Auntie, that didn't hurt did it?

Dec 10, 2010 at 10:36 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

simpleseekeraftertruth

Now there Auntie, that didn't hurt did it?

I am pleased at the first baby steps Beeb as made. I would have bet 5 quid that they wouldn't let Dave on. Perhaps the news from Cancun is particularly dark and terrible, which is good.

Dec 10, 2010 at 10:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Don Pablo,

Your five quid is safe but the sick squid alarmists will be plotting revenge !-]

Dec 10, 2010 at 10:50 PM | Unregistered Commentersimpleseekeraftertruth

But surely - the fact that David Holland apears at all should be indicative of a new way of thinking at the BBC. ??????????????? (look one can only hope!) I watched a true sceptic with sensible questions putting those points after the alarmists have had their non convincing clap trap same old same old and thought are we actualy getting somewhere here??

You reckon?

I seriously live in hope.

Dec 10, 2010 at 11:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterCVH

CVH

Could the BBC be tiring of the ecohype? Stott was briefly on Jeremy Vine today introducing wind turbines. He kept his own council on global warming, but for sure Vine knows his views and the BBC often have him in. The other guests pro and con were civil and balanced
BTW here's an great Youtube clip of Stott in debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwK2EYODJOk&feature=PlayList&p=103E85BD20CD33F2&index=5

Dec 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

BBC World News America just had a bit on Cancun which included short talks first with Roger Pielke Jr and then with David Holland. The host of the segment (I didn't recognize name) discussed the uncertainty in the science about the forecast change in sea level and the likelihood that changes in storm number and intensity from year to year might be due to natural variation. He also mentioned that there had been a number of important mistakes in the science published in the last year. It had been a tough year for Climate Science.

There were then some videos of various international monuments up to their garters in water, among them Big Ben, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel Tower, and then a scene showing crockery people standing in rows like the Xian warriors but well under water.

One might have nferred that the Cancun activities might be a bit silly. It was also observed that a substantive agreement was unlikely to be reached.

Naturally there was nothing like this on the NBC US evening news.

Dec 11, 2010 at 12:39 AM | Unregistered Commenterj ferguson

The BBC host for the sequence also stated that scientist had predicted that 2010 would be the "hottest" year on record.

Dec 11, 2010 at 12:50 AM | Unregistered Commenterj ferguson

Saw the clip over this side of the pond on BBC Canada . . . very strange for the Beeb to be almost "balanced" in their story.

Roger did well putting the Hairy Scary factor into perspective.

Dec 11, 2010 at 3:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterFred from Canuckistan

J ferguson : The host was David Shukman, labelled as a BBC science correspondent. To my knowledge he has no science qualifications.

Dec 11, 2010 at 7:10 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

I notice that on BBC2 at 6pm this evening, it is the last programme in the series “Making Scotland’s Landscape” by one of the BBC’s favourite alarmists Iain Stewart.

According to the Radio Times, Stewart

tells how the country is transforming from a carbon-based economy to a green one. He also explains how the scientists and engineers unwittingly set off a chain of events during the Industrial Revolution that led to the warming of the planet, widely known today as Climate Change.

So it’s all the fault of those scientists and engineers north of the border! I feel very sorry for you people in Scotland.

I hope he explains how Scotland will manage when virtually all its electricity comes from wind turbines with no backup from conventional power stations (coal and nuclear). I hope he explains how the magnificent Scottish landscape will be enhanced by thousands of giant wind turbines.

So I'm sure this will be yet another balanced programme!

Dec 11, 2010 at 7:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Saw Shukman on the 10 o'clock news. It was much more balanced than the beeb would have shown 6 months ago.

They had clips of Beddington, Holland and Pielke.

I'm not sure what the film of the underwater "terracotta army" was all about - maybe it's some kind of subliminal message but it just looked a bit silly and disconnected.

The piece was supposedly all about the Cancün meetup - but they hardly mentioned this.

Dec 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterJack Hughes

I am deeply concerned about some of the consequences of the treaty that Chris Huhne and others appear to have been negotiating in Cancun.

Because regardless of the extent to which they are successful this time around, it is apparent that they are intent on empowering the Secretariat, if not this year then in some following year, not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention but to compel them to do so.

Nation states will be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the Secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies.

There will be no assessment of the extent to which any of the proposed actions are cost-effective and no termination provisions in the treaty whatsoever so they appear to be copying the European Union by installing in perpetuity powers which will forever be beyond the reach or recall of any electorate.

I have written to my MP asking him to find out for me the extent to which each of David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Chris Huhne would be prepared to support any such transfer of power or competencies to another supranational entity (such as the UN) without a referendum of the British people.

For further analysis by Lord Monkton who has been attending the conference in Cancun:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/12/breaking-the-abdication-of-the-west/

Dec 11, 2010 at 10:52 AM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

Here is a link to BBC news at 6/10.

http://s446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/bobclive/?action=view&current=bbcclimate.mp4

Dec 11, 2010 at 11:08 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobuk

Sorry, copied the link exactly frpm photobucket but it does not work?

Dec 11, 2010 at 11:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobuk

"Sorry, copied the link exactly frpm photobucket but it does not work?"


Works for me, thanks,

Dec 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM | Unregistered Commentergraphicconception

Let's not be too critical of the BBC's attempt at balance. I watched the 6:00 pm news and it was such a step away from their usual position as to be almost groundbreaking. If it was a one off, or a precedent for future coverage, I don't know but it was definitely a firm step away from the 'there's no point putting the skeptic argument because everyone agrees the science is settled and these people are just cranks' position they formally held very firmly. I think this is significant and is probably a sign of BBC establishment concern that they are going to be found on the wrong side of something that could become a very controversial public issue with a potentially harmful (to careers) outcome for them. We shall have to see how it develops over the next few weeks and months.

Dec 11, 2010 at 12:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterHijken

Now that there seems to be some form of agreement from Cancun, what's the betting that the BBC immediately go back to their bad old ways? They certainly made a good (bad) start on Today this morning, with triumphalist overtones from Chris Huhne. However, Roger Black provided a small measure of comfort, in pointing out the things that had NOT been achieved.

Jeff Id has a brief summary of his own response to the main points. http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/

Dec 11, 2010 at 4:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

@Hijken

Yes it was breaking new ground for the BBC

Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterJack Hughes

It was funny. I started to grit my teeth when Shukman mentioned that scientists had predicted that 2010 would be hottest year on record and then was astounded at how even the rest of the presentation was. It may be that the mass media here in the US will be the last to realize that the CAGW movement is withering. So much of what we see on TV and read in the news here is predisposed to accept as common knowledge that the threat of runaway warming if left unchecked is very real.

Dec 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM | Unregistered Commenterj ferguson

@ Phillip Bratby

"I notice that on BBC2 at 6pm this evening, it is the last programme in the series “Making Scotland’s Landscape” by one of the BBC’s favourite alarmists Iain Stewart."

"I hope he explains how Scotland will manage when virtually all its electricity comes from wind turbines with no backup from conventional power stations (coal and nuclear). I hope he explains how the magnificent Scottish landscape will be enhanced by thousands of giant wind turbines."

just watched it & nope, no mention, would have spoiled the message to have some balance.

wonder how this prog/message has gone down with people in Scotland tonight, given the recent cold snap? windmills save Scotland from big freeze & death. local says - i cany credit ho quik thr gawn, we aw thon ice anat.

@ Neal Asher

I sympathise, it's not easy listening to the guff thrown at us constantly on this & many other topics by MSM.
but look on the bright side, HSI by the Bish & blog sites like this & it's friends (CA etc) are making a difference slowly but surely in MSM.

PS. really like your books, just read your latest 'The Technician' keep them coming, my type of SF.
maybe you & the Bish can get together joint SF/CC novel something along the lines of -
"when the advance alien race arrived they could not believe all resources had not been intelligently utilised to spread offplanet & grow their culture in accord with universal inbuilt drives."

Dec 11, 2010 at 9:13 PM | Unregistered Commenterdougieh

It was very encouraging to hear both Roger Pielke and David Holland on the BBC news at 10. Definitely a step in the right direction - it would never have happened pre-climategate.

Dec 12, 2010 at 4:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterPaulM

On the other hand BBC radio Science in Action prog this week 10 Dec had an outrageous propaganda item "Can we see the effects of climate change already?"
We should expect proper science data not anecdotes, but we got to hear about 12 members of the public saying how much warmer it was where they lived. And then there was a speech by government paid climate-panic-activist Vicky Pope (Met Office), who spoke 2 weeks ago about how 2010 would be the warmest year.
The second year of super cold episodes in the UK since then was of course not mentioned in the prog nor any other non warming events.

Dec 13, 2010 at 8:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterStew Green

It was the audio equivalent of the shots or rising water, and polar bears standing on "melting icebergs" the cynical BBC TV people use

Dec 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterStew Green

It's a long haul, dougieh. Without the Internet it would probably take 40 years, just like the Piltdown man.

Dec 16, 2010 at 5:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterNeal Asher

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