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Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill ...and now the Guardian
Nov 16, 2010 Climate: CRU Climate: Jones Alok Jha, the Guardian's science podcaster, gets to cover the Climategate anniversary. Jha makes the same mistake as everyone else, asking Jones about the deletion of an email that he didn't receive in the first place.
Also very funny to see the link directly under the title and standfirst:"Attacks on climate science echo tobacco industry tactics". Alok Jha is not what you might call a rabid warmist, so I think I detect the hand of someone on the editorial side here - perhaps dear old James Randerson, who does like to jazz these things up.
Reader Comments (19)
Wishful thinking?
Imagine if the 'whistleblower' had found all the 'deleted' emails on a back up server, last November
And just releases them on the 1 year annivesary....
Possibly some nervous people, at CRU and elsewhere this week.
Round 2?
The BBC submission was good....
Richard Black hasn't posted a blog article for nearly three weeks, and comments are locked.
Paul Hudson's worked, and the articles appear quite sceptical(policy, energy gap, ect)
We are in the throes of an organised media campaign.
Expect the the Norfolk police antiterrorism (snigger) unit to deliver their report in the next week ‘proving’ that some evil ‘denier’ hacker did it.
Something will look fishy about it, but when requests are made by IT specialists for more information there will be the usual silence and obfuscation.
In a way I really hope they try to pin it on some hacker who is tied in with the climate sceptic camp. Any court case will give his defenders fantastic powers of disclosure.
It'll be much more likely for the police's conclusion to be that an anonymous hacker — who is now, unfortunately, completely untraceable – did it. If no one is prosecuted there can be no disclosure or uncomfortable court case.
Lots of spin and dirt will be applied to the untraceable hacker implying that they are Russian or backed by big oil.
If everyone remembers correctly within the first few weeks of climate Gate, last year, the Jones/Mann/UEA/government/NGOs/press spin machine was pumping out the line that ‘the Russians did it’.
Are these intrepid independent investigative journalists interviewing Steve Mc? Jeff Id? Prof Pielke Jr's in London, is he being pressed for a few well chosen words?
"If everyone remembers correctly within the first few weeks of climate Gate, last year, the Jones/Mann/UEA/government/NGOs/press spin machine was pumping out the line that ‘the Russians did it’."
Nov 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM | Stuck-record
Are you aware that your comment is textbook paranoid conspiracy theory?
So it was Phil Jones, and Mann, and the whole University of East Anglia, and the entire government of the country, and the NGOs, and all the press, all colluding together for some vague reason which doesn't really directly benefit any of them, with no whistleblowers.
At what point are you going to step back and realise that your stance has become so marginalised and inconsistent as to be ridiculous?
If all you have is opposition, then you probably don't have a position. Something rather reflected in the science.
That's right Zed.
I'm paranoid and imagining that the senior members of the climate establishment were saying ‘the Russians did it’ one year ago.
What a shame that 30 seconds with Google reveals the following:
Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, the vice-chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said he believed the theft of the emails was not the work of amateur climate sceptics.
“It’s very common for hackers in Russia to be paid for their services,” he told The Times.
“If you look at that mass of emails a lot of work was done, not only to download the data but it’s a carefully made selection of emails and documents that’s not random at all.
“This is 13 years of data and it’s not a job of amateurs.”
Would you like more examples?
"Would you like more examples?"
Nov 16, 2010 at 3:35 PM | Stuck-record
How about some proof of all the groups you listed conspiring together?
Oh - you haven't got any. Like every good denier, you instantly changed the subject by mentioning a new group not covered in your original excerpt.
You hit a nerve there Stuck.
ZDB
Please refrain from name-calling.
@Stuck-record
At the risk of having to do a long and technical post, I assure you that it's almost certain the the emails were leaked rather than hacked.
Pointman
"How about some proof of all the groups you listed conspiring together?"
In the interest of reciprocity, how about some 'proof' of AGW, ZDB?
PDQ, IYDM. ;)
Andrew
I said: “the Jones/Mann/UEA/government/NGOs/press spin machine”.
You called that paranoid.
I spent 30 seconds finding a quote from the vice chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – you have heard of them I suppose? They are a large non-governmental organisation.
Your response to this evidence is, “like every good denier you instantly change the subject by mentioning a new group not covered in your original excerpt.”
Err... IPPC?
As for all conspiring together. You have actually read the thousands of e-mails that were released under the climate gate leak/hack a year ago, haven't you? They show the collusion of Phil Jones, Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt, NASA, the IPCC, other non-governmental organisations, journalists at the BBC, New York Times and PR companies also get the same message across.
Does that not constitute a conspiracy? They colluded (often in secret) to convince the public of their message, even when they did not agree with, or doubted, the message themselves.
Not a conspiracy?
Do you think they are not still doing it? Just this time with Gmail not subject to FOI.
Oh, and by the way here is another link:
http://www.Newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/since-over-1000-confidential-e.html this one has a juicy quote from a “senior member of the IP CC that the hack was a “highly sophisticated, politically motivated operation."
And another anonymous source claims that they are, “pinning the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Russian secret services".
And the source of this paranoid delusional conspiracy theory is that stalwart of global warming deniers, The New Scientist.
Examine this blog for some more 'the-Russians-are-responsible-for-climate-credibility-debacle' ideas, ZBD.
The link was offered up on this very blog
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/
Wasn't conspiracy more the subject of the release than the action of it? IMO trying to blame the messenger is futile; trying to name the messenger, more so.
Although the poster and the blog I dont recall, the comment one poster left springs to mind, to the effect that what he wanted more than anything to see in his lifetime had miraculously happened. He added, 'so I suppose I'd better just go ahead and die now.'
Barry Woods.....
"Imagine if the 'whistleblower' had found all the 'deleted' emails on a back up server, last November
And just releases them on the 1 year annivesary....
Possibly some nervous people, at CRU and elsewhere this week."
Now THAT would be too sweet. Surely such mana could not be deposited on the anniversary, not even from Heaven?
Moving on, I can't be the only one mystified by the complete lack of litigation undertaken by the likes of Jones, Briffa, Mann, et al? I mean, their professional reputations are smeared pretty much daily online, in print, on the radio, yet there appears not so much as a single threat of legal action has been made, let alone taken. Curious, if they're all so squeaky clean and beyond suspicion.
One final point; I've got BBC 5 Live on right now, and all afternoon - when they've had reason to mention his name - they've been referring to Chris Huhne as the 'Energy secretary'. Can't imagine them dropping the 'and Climate Change' bit not so long ago. The times they are a changin'....
ZDB
Not conspiring together, just making the most of a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity, en masse.
Oh, DeadHead, do go back to the Daily Mail, there's a good chap/ess, there are some posts referring to you at this very moment, and they're not particularly complimentary. Have you got your deleting trousers on?
Slightly OT, but can anyone confirm that deliberately destroying documents (including Emails) that you have reason to think may become subject to an FOI request - is actually a crime in the UK??
I have certainly read somewhere that it is a crime, (but I dont want to believe everything I read on the net).
Slightly OT, but can anyone confirm that deliberately destroying documents (including Emails) that you have reason to think may become subject to an FOI request - is actually a crime in the UK??
I have certainly read somewhere that it is a crime, (but I dont want to believe everything I read on the net).