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Monday
Oct042010

Still spinning...

Bob Ward has demanded and received the right to respond to Joe Brannan's review of the Hockey Stick Illusion in Geoscientist.

Joe Brannan then responds in turn here.

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Things are definately changing.... The mighty Bob Ward having to 'demand' a right to reply. I thought he automatically got a look at reviews/blogs/articles before they were let loose on the free world!
He did his usual though and used feeble arguments that a 5 year old can see through. He really doesn't get any better.

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterDave Lisle

WTF? And he uses his own ludicrous ad hominem to support his case? Is this the season for warmists to jump the shark en masse?

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Pedant-General

Does anyone else find Bobs "stalking" of reviews slightly creepy?

Is he starting to become obsessed?

Mailman

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterMailman

Ouch!! That should leave a mark on Bob Ward's posterior. Brannan's comment is brilliantly dismissive.

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterBernie

Anyone know how Bob Ward got to become a FGS?

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Phillip Bratby,

I am good at guessing the meaning of abbreviations, so I have worked out that Bob Ward FGS means
[snip].

Bish, pls moderate this.

Peter Walsh

[BH adds: Yes, a bit fruity...]

Oct 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterRETEPHSLAW

I am so impressed (not) that the only critical review that Bob can bring himself to cite is his own.

He might just as well have said: "See for instance this review - BY ME!"

And what are all these inaccuracies that the HSI is "littered" with? He never says, but then, to be fair, he probably hasn't actually got round to reading it either.

Oct 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

That is a swift and well placed kick to the testicles.........it is certainly a well placed blow, as it appears to have separated said testicles without inflicting pain.

However, once the foot is removed??????


And of course there is absolutely no reason to prevent the kicker from having another kick.

Oct 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

I had to laugh out loud when he – with absolutely no sense of irony or self-awareness – says:

"Brannan failed to point out that this incredible yarn is based on a misleading and one-sided version of events, littered with inaccuracies. See for instance this review."

… and then links to his own review the Guardian website. His own review!

How self-referential can you get?

Here's proof of my argument — oh, it's my argument.

Oct 4, 2010 at 9:30 PM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

Apologies to James P for making exactly the same point he made. That's what you get for making cup of tea in the middle of writing a post.

A

Oct 4, 2010 at 9:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

I see Joe Brannan's response is dated 1 November 2010. Is he the only person quicker off the mark than Bob Ward?

Oct 4, 2010 at 9:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

Bob Ward seem to suggest that the Wegman report didn't say what it said, that just makes him the uber spin doctor, I think he is without any morals at all. He suggest that Mc is some sort of attack dog against AGW. McIntyre if anything is overly kind to his critics and I suppose that was the way he was raised (I believe his dad was a judge). Shame on Bob Ward, he is just another person of privlege and some minor power that hates the human race.

Oct 4, 2010 at 10:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterFrank Brown

Thanks for that Bish, but no thanks for foisting that photo upon a poster, prior warning in future please.

Mailman

Not sure that it is reviews that Bob is stalking, more reviews of one publication and Bob is appearing as a glutton for punishment. Also we have yet to see Bob's list of "inaccuracies". Surely it is time that at least one editor asked him for them?

Oct 4, 2010 at 10:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

Mailman: "Is he starting to become obsessed?" I've thought this too, at times. Bob Ward is letting his emotions drive his response to positive reviews of HSI whenever they appear, and this is leading him to make a fool of himself, like an inept Ahab stalking his very own great white whale.

By comparison, Joe Brannan's response is excellent - crisp, logical, polite and authoritative. Top marks.

Oct 4, 2010 at 10:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

No apology required, Stuck-record - I enjoyed your post, too.

Oct 4, 2010 at 10:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

green sand -

here's another mugshot to make u cringe. o'donovan was at Camden School for Girls for the 10:10 filming:

10:10 Cian O'Donovan - Sport / social networks coordinator
http://www.1010global.org/uk/about/inside/team/cian

10:10 has removed this, but here is the cached version:

7 Sept: Lights, camera and carbon cutting action
On set at 10:10's mini movie shoot
posted by Cian O'Donovan
Standing at the back of a classroom set watching a master-craftsman go about his trade is truly a privilege, despite the muscle ache. Dougal Wilson, director behind that incredible John Lewis ad and a whole host of zany arty music videos is in his element. Being on-set is akin to standing under the Sistine Chapel as Michelangelo ponders whether those two fingers are going to touch or not...
The shoot itself took place in Camden School for Girls, a perfect location considering how important 10:10 schools have been for the campaign over the year. And the school itself was beyond generous in their assistance. All totalled, Jamie and company have put together a film that should have cost over £400,000 for virtually nothing....
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OhFPWO56NRsJ:www.1010global.org/2010/09/lights-camera-and-carbon-cutting-action+%22Camden+School+for+Girls%22+10:10&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

Mr. Greeny: Camden School for Girls
A Mr Greeny consultant was brought in to ease, inform and shorten the process and to deliver the Eco Schools Bronze Award. Over the course of our partnership we were closely involved at every step, from assembly of the eco-action team (made up of teachers, students, the facilities manager and a parent governor) to the environmental assessment...
http://www.mrgreeny.com/services/casestudies/casecamden.php

Mr. Greeny: Read about some of the schools we've been working with:
Camden School for Girls
Wren Academy
Skinners School for Girls...
Sustainable schools in the News
Take this as a global warning
Teachers lack skills and confidence to prepare pupils for new world order, survey reveals...
http://www.mrgreeny.com/

Mr. Greeny: Director, Bruno Reddy
Bruno Reddy is a qualified maths teacher with a drive to lead school improvement through education for sustainable development. In addition to his years in the classroom, he has worked for 2 years as a Sustainability Consultant for engineering firm, Arup.
Bruno is a panel member for the Sustainable Development Commission, an Associate of the Sustainable Development Foundation, a Community Champion, a member of the Geographical Association, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and Chair of the Board of Teach First Ambassadors...
http://www.mrgreeny.com/aboutus/director_brunoreddy.php

thankfully SDC is being abolished.

Oct 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM | Unregistered Commenterpat

pat

Thanks, but again no thanks, if you understand.

I need sometime with that info, probably somewhere where I can scream.

Mr Greeny - "Nurturing the first generation of sustainable citizens" ??? WTF (sorry Bish) does that mean?

All that have gone before are "not sustainable" ? It is best I go away and review, nothing is making sense any more and things are that far off the wall....

However I find that I may let myself turn on my Sony kit again!

Oct 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

One can almost see him practicing him ad hom punches in his shorts and boxing gloves in front of his cheval mirror. Then forgetting his best punchlines while he feverishly struggles to get fingers to keyboard.

Oct 4, 2010 at 11:30 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

Having spent sometime this evening discussing present day "comedians" I will say goodnight on a farewell to a childhood hero of mine, Sir Norman Wisdom, even at his most manic, he could not have dreamed up a farce of such magnitude as we are witnessing.

Thanks for the good times Norman, farewell.

Sorry Bish for being OT, cull if ...

Oct 4, 2010 at 11:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

OT:
Ooops! 10:10 lose Sony as a partner:
http://ktwop.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/sony-disassociate-themselves-from-1010/

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:17 AM | Unregistered Commenterartwest

Re Green Sand

Mr Greeny - "Nurturing the first generation of sustainable citizens" ??? WTF (sorry Bish) does that mean?

They're easily recycled. More Soylent Green anyone?

Bit like Bob really. Oil smear, check. Self-referencing, check. Taking things out of context, check. Misquoting, check. Also seems to recycle stuff from the wiki talk page on HSI, which then recycles Bob to make it somehow official. Watching the edit warring there is strangely fascinating.

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

"sustainable citizens", "Mr Greeny"....Bruno Reddy?

Pat, you've outdone yourself this time - this is unbeatable stuff. This is the world we live in, where these geniuses run around, telling us how to be?

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterShub

WUWT has a new thread:

The 10:10 Splattergate goes “sploot” – a roundup
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/04/the-1010-splattergate-goes-sploot-a-roundup/

Oct 5, 2010 at 2:24 AM | Unregistered Commenterpat

Does Bob know how to play the ball?

Oct 5, 2010 at 3:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoddy Campbell

The Brannan -> Ward -> Brannan series make interesting reading. Ward really is over the edge, isn't he?

What I would like to see is Ward's spin on the RED BUTTON video. It has gone beyond Viral, it is now a pandemic. I saw the video (the school children section) on FOX channel twice today on two different shows. They made a big point that they invited all sorts of Warmist supporters to come give their side but none accepted. They did have a couple skeptic speakers on, and one psychologist whose views were pretty much mine -- he never used the word "psychotic" but you would swear he did.

So now if Bob Ward would only open his gob on this, it might be wonderful.

Maybe I should write a book about the mind set of the AGW crowd and call it "Beyond the Red Button"

Clearly it has been a game changer. They have committed political suicide with this. The only concern is what is next? The psychologist did mention the situation at Discovery Channel a few weeks ago.

Oct 5, 2010 at 3:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Oct 4, 2010 at 11:30 PM | Pharos


Pharos - too funny! :)

Oct 5, 2010 at 5:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterStu

And now for something completely different...

O/T
Virgina VA stops fishing and goes hunting

Oct 5, 2010 at 7:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

Sorry that should have been AG not VA... too early...

Oct 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

I don't know why, but I know when. If you search for him on the public access fellowship directory, you find a Robert Edward Thomas Ward of the Grantham RI for CC......
"Joined date: 01/01/2011" (There's also a Joseph Brannan who joined in 01/01/93.)
I would not be concerned about 'date in the future', as everyone's start date is 01/01/yy. What it indicates is he has just recently joined. A conspiracy theorist could suggest he joined for the sole intention of getting his article published. I have no idea if he's an Earth Scientist, but it would be unusual to leave it so late in his career to join up.
Why would the Geological Society make him a Fellow in these circumstances? Again, a conspiracy theorist could suggest its related to the fact that Geoscientist Editor, Ted Nield is a convinced AGW believer. As an FGS myself, this has regularly irritated me. An editorial by Ted Nield appears alongside Bob Ward's:
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/op/www.ge%3c/geoscientist/page8393.html
in which he states: "But denialists can come up with news easily because, being unconstrained by evidence they can construct any number of simple (and suspiciously agreeable) messages whenever they like."
Also, as Editor, why should Ted Nield give Bob Ward - as such a very new member - such a prominent opportunity to give his views. Most of us rely on 'letters to the editor'.

Oct 5, 2010 at 8:17 AM | Unregistered Commenteroakwood

Bob Ward refers to Joe Brannan (oil industry geologist). This is quite hilarious. A very large proportion of the Geological Society's membership are 'oil industry geologists'. Why? Unless you are a geology teacher or professor, there are relatively few private sector options for geologists. That and mining.

GeolSoc also gets sponsorship from Big Oil, as in the 'Shell London Lectures 2010'.

So what is Bob Ward doing joining and organisation so dominated by big oil? A conspiracy theorist would have an opinion.

Oct 5, 2010 at 8:23 AM | Unregistered Commenteroakwood

Sorry, my first post above misses its first line:

Phillip Bratby asks: "Anyone know how Bob Ward got to become a FGS?"

Oct 5, 2010 at 8:25 AM | Unregistered Commenteroakwood

I am sorry but the "FGS" did make me laugh, unfortunately, indicating my state of mind, I worked out the slang meaning before the Society related meaning...

@oakwood: for the first meaning of FGS it is probably related to social conditioning, for the Society related meaning of FGS it looks suspiciously like he has been fast tracked to "stardom".

Is there any way of funding Bob Ward so if Grantham pulls the plug, he can continue being a FGS in the public arena?

Oct 5, 2010 at 8:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

Yes Bob is fantastic, the best comedy around at the moment. He certainly brightens up a dull day and I'd miss him if he was withdrawn (by men in white coats?).

Reminds me so much of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI

As long as we don't have to fund him to do this.

Oct 5, 2010 at 9:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterSimonW

Pat

"Being on-set is akin to standing under the Sistine Chapel as Michelangelo ponders whether those two fingers are going to touch or not..."

Pseuds' Corner beckons!

Oct 5, 2010 at 10:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Little bit off topic, but I wonder if anyone has a bit of advice over freedom of information requests. I want to find out if anybody from government saw the 10:10 film during or after its completion.

Obviously the Department of Energy and Climate Change is the most obvious culprit, but I'd be loath to miss out on anyone else who might be implicated.

Any ideas of how to address it?

Oct 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

Oakwood,

I wonder if Bob Ward has seen the list of corporate affiliates.

Oct 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterGareth

Thanks Oakwood. I note that "Fellows will have a degree or equivalent qualification in geology (or a related subject), or have not less than 6 years' relevant experience in geology or a related subject (e.g., membership of another learned society, either in UK or overseas). Fellows can use the postnominal FGS."

It's unusual to become a Fellow of an organisation on just the strength of a degree. FGS is a worthless title.

Oct 5, 2010 at 11:37 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Nice reply by Joe. Succinct and entirely to the point.

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Souter

"By contrast, Joe Brannan's response is excellent - crisp, logical, polite and authoritative. Top marks."

Bob Ward was, unbelievably, Policy Manager or the like for the Royal Society a while back. To me that says everything. Anyone remember if Richard Lindzen mentioned Ward by name in his account of back-door infiltration of august scientific establishments?

See Ward's exchange with Martin Durkin a while back.

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterLucy Skywalker

O/T

o2 still holding out... no pressure... and for those coming late to the story they will assume O2 has been the only sponsor...

O2 Twitter

Along with 100k members of the public, O2 supports the aims of 10:10 but we don’t ask for editorial control over its campaigns.

Oh hang on...

Along with 95k members of the public, O2 supports the aims of 10:10 but we don’t ask for editorial control over its campaigns.

That is not right...

Along with 60k members of the public, O2 supports the aims of 10:10 but we don’t ask for editorial control over its campaigns.

Not again... this time is correct

Along with 100 members of the public, O2 supports the aims of 10:10 but we don’t ask for editorial control over its campaigns.

Oct 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

Phillip Bratby, you are right that FGS (Fellow of the Geological Society) is not really a qualification. Being an FGS (as am I, but not working in oil) is more about being a member of a club of like minded experts (and 'experts'). At least Bob has a relevant degree:
"Bob has a first degree in geology and an unfinished PhD thesis on palaeopiezometry."
ref: http://www.wcsjnews.org/users/bob-ward

Though, as I mention earlier, its surprising he has waited until now to join, and despite being so new, he gets to put his own views prominently.

Oct 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM | Unregistered Commenteroakwood

Never mind what a biased PR guy thinks, what the HSI needs are endorsements from great minds, like this from DeSmog-

“An imperative read for a successful future.”
~LEONARDO DICAPRIO

and there's another from Neve Cambell. Can't find either of those cited in IPCC reports, or any comments from the world's greatest PR guy about the world's greatest PR debacle.

Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

So when will the BBC, Guardian etc ad nausium be allowing any sceptic the right to reply to their claims? As somebody banned from both the Guardian & Channel 4 websites for, among other things, questioning warming alarmism perhaps I will shortly see Ward's concern for balance manifest itself with these organisations.

Well only if his principles aren't infinitely maleable.

Oct 5, 2010 at 3:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterNeil Craig

Bob Ward is getting spanked, and is crying like a baby.

Oct 5, 2010 at 4:48 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Chris Huhne appearing in 10:10 hand-cuffs

The website at the end is here : Ask Chris

After a monumental week for 10:10 in which the new Conservative-Lib Dem coalition committed to reduce the entire government's carbon footprint by 10% over the next 12 months, we've invited Chris Huhne – the new energy and climate secretary – to meet us and discuss future policies.

Yes and their monumental week had only just begun...

Oct 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

This is funny in hindsight... it could do with a parody...

10 reasons to support 10:10

"10:10 gives you more bang for your buck..."

Oct 5, 2010 at 6:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

Bob Wards loose cannon at it again

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/05/abc-interview-wrongly-torches-skeptic-position/#more-25929

Oct 6, 2010 at 6:46 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohnH

When Bob Ward said "see for instance this review" I expected to read a review written by someone else. Why didn't he say "see my detailed review here" or something honest like that? This priest of the CAGW cult is taking us for a mug.

And just why is it that when I click on "Read Andrew Montford's response" to Ward's Guardian review, I'm taken to nowhere? I had to search the Guardian to find Montford's response.

Oct 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM | Unregistered CommentersHx

Thanks for the link, JC. I have asked 10:10 to ask Mr Huhne what he thinks of their film. Well, it would be nice to know...

Oct 6, 2010 at 9:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Well, I mentioned this yesterday but perhaps I ought to be more explicit. Bishop, you know that the link to your response in Guardian's Bob Ward review piece is dead, don't you?

Oct 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM | Unregistered CommentersHx

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