Grumpy Grandad

Tallbloke has been looking at Met weather stations and here is his review of Camborne from September 2012:

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/wmo03808-camborne/

The full index is here:

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/index-page-surface-stations-project/

Grumpy Grandad

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/

Shows a map of the world. Click on any part and it will show the nearest stations currently being used. The stations are not continuous and they slot stations in and out from time to time. eg the last time I looked Warrington was there for about 3 years back in the 60s. Now it's been removed. Don't know why they use or don't use stations but very few of them seem to use the full lifetime of the station.

Quick Google tells me this about the Camborne weather station.

So it is rural (and on the Cornish peninsular) and has been landscaped.
Good idea that.

The Gleneagles situation is interesting. As far as I can tell from the information publically available (wasn't going anywhere near it last weekend!) the T in the Park traffic management specifically avoided using either Gleneagles junction, despite them being nearest to the site. I suspect this is for the same reason that the flat junction remains open despite the obvious unnecessary risk - there are some very very expensive houses in that immediate vicinity no doubt owned by people with serious clout in the Scottish political world.

The really bad one is Forteviot. Last time there were roadworks on the A9 nearby the contractors managed to put advanced signage on the verge and central reserve so placed that traffic entering and leaving the Forteviot junction had no visibility at all in the Perth direction. It's bad enough normally. Transport Scotland's solution is a flashing sign on the A9. Professional road engineers are supposed to be involved in this.

Rail, marine and air transport have Accident Investigation setups staffed by experts whose remit is to find the reasons for accidents, whose conclusions are protected from use in litigation and are published for the benefit of all. Road accidents are "investigated" by a rank and file cop who has been on a course, with a remit to find a driver to prosecute and whose findings are not promulgated. Coincidentally the road infrastructure is publically owned.

Hi,

Where are the UK weather stations that feed into all the dodgy climate models, (GISS etc)?

I attempted to answer this question myself, and came up with some surprising answers, if they are incorrect, please feel free to give the correct stations!

I found references to GISS using the "World Weather Records" database for their raw data input sources.

See badc.nerc.ac.uk/data/gedex/detail/giss_tmp.det

1.3 Data Source. The principal data sources for the surface air
temperature station data are the World Weather Records (WWR), published by
the Smithsonian Institution, and the WWR continuation, Monthly Climatic
Data of the World (MCDW), collected under WMO (World Meteorological
Organization) sponsorship, and published by NOAA's (National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration) National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

I had a look at the World Weather Records webpage:- http://www.gosic.org/wdcmet/World%20Weather%20Records

They hold the data by series, unfortunately the 10th series 2001-2010 is only available on request, however the previous series are there.

WR Data (9th Series) 1991-2000 (unformatted data) (table format) (station list)

Looking at the UK station list, I have added what the site is A == airfield or airport :-

UNITED KINGDOM LERWICK A
UNITED KINGDOM STORNOWAY A
UNITED KINGDOM DYCE A (Aberdeen Airport)
UNITED KINGDOM TIREE A
UNITED KINGDOM TURNHOUSE A
UNITED KINGDOM ESKDALEMUIR Observatory
UNITED KINGDOM LEEMING A
UNITED KINGDOM VALLEY A
UNITED KINGDOM RINGWAY A
UNITED KINGDOM WADDINGTON A
UNITED KINGDOM ELMDON A (Birmingham Airport )
UNITED KINGDOM RHOOSE A
UNITED KINGDOM HEATHROW A
UNITED KINGDOM GATWICK A
UNITED KINGDOM CAMBORNE ?
UNITED KINGDOM PLYMOUTH A
UNITED KINGDOM HURN A
UNITED KINGDOM ALDERGROVE A

The interesting thing is that out of the 18 sites, 16 are airports or airfields, one is an observatory and one, Camborne is unknown to me,

This raises questions, first postulated by Anthony Watts, regarding the suitability of these airfield sites. The UHI effect must make LHR the "warmist" place in UK.

Pilots use temperature data, (and barometric date and windspeed), so they can calculate their max take off weight AT THE LOCATION OF THAT AIRFIELD. In this case the UHI effect at that location is important and needed for the calculation.

However, it doesn't follow that the airfield sites data is the most suitable to calculate the world average temperature!

Another point is that there doesn't appear to be any rural stations apart from ESKDALEMUIR, also 18 stations seem to be a bit thin coverage for the entire UK.

regards

Patrick

NW
Not been along the A9 for 6 months so things may have changed.
There are a couple of nasty junctions for Dunning and Aberuthven after the Gleneagles which should be closed and traffic sent round to the Gleneagles junction. The Auchterarder junction isn't too clever either.

Agree about the railway too, Have these guys ever left their nice air-conditioned offices in Edinburgh/Glasgow/London?

Paul Matthews, you ask your questions to get your answers. The Guardian has a Pew Report survey that says the poorest are most worried about climate change.

Of course, if they were as rich as the western countries they wouldn't be. Due to better resilience and better science education.

But, solutions aside, it shows you can survey whatever you want.

Interesting listening to Tim Farron this morning on R4 Today. His idea for getting the country into prosperity is to throw loads of tax-payer money - he thinks of it as 'Government money - at grand schemes: HS/3/4/etc, not just one tidal lagoon but 30 of them!! He figured this would bring full employment and prosperity to the country while any other kind of thinking was just economically illiterate. Hmmmm. You can catch it Here around 2'30"

johanna, if you had something more to say than telling stewgreen off...