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Oh, good grief, Tomo… Does the stupidity ever end? Are we the only persons who question those extremely wealthy people who complain about others having great wealth, yet do nothing to redistribute their own wealth (especially the fragrant Viv, with her tortuous tax-avoidance schemes)?
Radical Rodent
TinyCO2: These things don't have to happen. Too many people are not prepared to stand up and do something about these ridiculous proposals. Lobby your MP, the PM and the relevant Ministesr. Put in a reasoned objection.
Phillip Bratby
johanna, well sadly mine but whether you like something or not, sometimes you have to accept it's going to happen. If I despaired at everything that the UK governments did that was a waste of money and/or damaging I'd have gone loopy by now.
TinyCO2
The only thing we can be sure of with the Swansea tide power is that it will cost considerably more than they are saying, and the returns will be considerably less than they promise.
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Sage words, RR, and if anyone cares to put up a counter-example, they are welcome to try. Things are no different on the underside of the globe.
Tiny CO2, were you on the turps when you said:
M Courtney, stewgreen. While I don't think tidal energy will work or make financial sense, it is an experiment we have to try.
With whose money, Tiny?
johanna
Imagine if these two lovelies turned up on your doorstep trying to get you to sign up .....
They're going to be all over the MSM on the 29th Nov .....
Can we crowd fund some farmers and fully charged muckspreaders?
tomo
Tiny
"an experiment we have to try"
You're probably right, as it's the only way they will learn. Rather like the collapse of the grid when demand finally exceeds supply somewhen this winter.. :-(
jamesp
oops I missed a quotation mark so screwed up the hyperlink
... "has caused progressive silting of the Rance ecosystem. Sand-eels and plaice have disappeared""
- note that only OTHER full size one was one in Korea in 2011 *
- List of tidal power stations **
stewgreen
stewgreen, dontcha know, we Brits have to make our own mistakes? Johnny foreigner didn't know how to do it properly....
It irks me greatly as someone who tries very hard to learn from other people's mistakes.
TinyCO2
@TinyCO2 "tidal ...is an experiment we have to try."
Mate type "france tidal" in the BH Navigation bar search and you'll see we discussed France's 1966 La Rance Barrage 1..2
"This is so successful the French never built another one." ..even though the construction cost has been paid off and it's electricity is £13/MWh (bet they are missing some costs)
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- Wiki : "has caused progressive silting of the Rance ecosystem. Sand-eels and plaice have disappeared"
- List of tidal power stations **
There's also a list of 7 fullsize proposals. from 4 countries.. but that's hardly a ringing endorsement
** As well as barrages that list includes the underwater windmill at Strangford Lough .
(Belfast Telegraph August 2015 "The success of the Strangford Lough project means the technology will now be rolled out to other regions of the UK under a previously agreed permission which Siemens secured with the Crown Estate, which owns the seabed around the UK."..Yeh right! That's why Siemens has sat on its hands since 2008 and just sold the project to Singpaore corp)
* That Korean one is not a real power generator project. You have to look at a translation of the Korean page ..built to fix an previous eco-screwup ,but now causing eco problems itself.
So No, ..same old story ..if magic green energy works the big corps would already be doing it. (before the subsidy game)
stewgreen
@RR
I'm not being completely flippant about renting a dung-spreader or several, preferably charged with pig-poo.
It'd be fragrant performance art.