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USA Power cuts QOTD

"The main difference is that in Texas we pay a lot less for incompetence than California does"

Feb 18, 2021 at 4:09 PM | Registered Commentertomo

fwiw - I've asked BEIS directly about their Rotherham EETC with the "wind to Hydrogen" filling station.

- will post updates in the EV / solar thread

Feb 18, 2021 at 1:07 PM | Registered Commentertomo

The advantage of Wind Turbine power
is that they are situated right next to the big industries that use all the power
So in the event of very cold weather, that might shut down other powers sources or transmission lines
All you do is chuck on some wind from the big stockpile of wind, that you have next to the turbines.

/sarc

Feb 18, 2021 at 12:37 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

If the aim is to remove fossil fuel completely from transport and domestic heating what is the solution for HGV, Coaches, Buses, Gas boilers and diesel trains ? Batteries are a no go for all of these. I submit that for these, hydrogen is the only practical solution at least in the short to medium term. Nuclear power could be a solution but practical safe nuclear is generations away. It would be a simple matter to convert the gas network back to hydrogen (Town Gas was mostly hydrogen so no problem there). Scrap the renewables altogether they are expensive and useless. Get fracking. Extend nuclear power to Merchant shipping.

Feb 18, 2021 at 11:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Talking about Hydrogen wormholes....

I'm not against using Hydrogen - I am wary of the bureaucrat led push to move to a Hydrogen economy - I was quite surprised though - to see this effort in Suffolk....

- then there's the Bloom Box

Feb 18, 2021 at 11:05 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Rhoda; it's a neat idea but Fireman Sam would be over-worked!

A few months ago I was reading up on hydrogen on the web and fell down a wormhole, as you do, which led me to a report on hydrogen in houses. This team bought an old cottage in the middle of nowhere and refurbished it to modern standards. Pipes were installed to take hydrogen to different rooms to mimic supplies for cooking, heating, etc, plus a line to the garage. The pipes were valved so that leaks of different rates could be simulated in those various places. All of the rooms were equipped with sampling systems at different heights. BEIS was mentioned as a funder.
I was amused to note that the researchers housed themselves in a shed about 200m away....

The conclusion was that hydrogen would safe enough in the house provided the ceiling of each room was well vented into the space above and the roof space was also vented at its highest point. Quite how that would work in reality was not considered....
However it recommended that garages for hydrogen-fuelled cars should have a hydrogen monitor linked to an isolator for the electrics, as well as good ventilation. It did not address the obvious issue of underground parking with flats or shops above.

Feb 18, 2021 at 10:48 AM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

Oops, its not it's.

Feb 18, 2021 at 9:08 AM | Unregistered CommenterRhoda Klapp

Hydrogen? Difficult to move about. Why don't we let each home use it's own setup to split water electrically. Then there will be hydrogen to heat the house or run the car. Indeed we would have a potential supply of LOX to really get the best out of the old jalopy.

Feb 18, 2021 at 9:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterRhoda Klapp

The Guardian is singing from the same hymn sheet as the BBC, to the extent that one might almost wonder if they co-ordinate their strategy. Surely not?

Why is Texas suffering power blackouts during the winter freeze?
The oil- and gas-rich state is experiencing what officials call a ‘total failure’ of its electricity infrastructure

I loved this particularly brazen paragraph, printed without any sort of backing links or other justification - simply stated as though it's an incontrovertible fact:

With the climate crisis likely to trigger more freak weather events like the one Texas is suffering it is noteworthy that there are places that experience frigidly cold weather that rely heavily on wind turbines and manage to have electricity in the winter. In Iowa, a state which sees freezing temperatures more often than Texas, nearly 40% of electricity is generated by wind turbines.

The first part ("...the climate crisis [is] likely to trigger more freak weather events like the one Texas is suffering") is highly questionable. Where is the BBC's Reality Check team when you need them? The second part conveniently fails to ask whether that "nearly 40% of electricity" is maintained during bitterly cold winter weather.

I also noticed this:

The state largely relies on natural gas for its power supply, though some comes from wind turbines and less from coal and nuclear sources.

Disingenuous, to say the least. The "...some comes from wind turbines..." claim (around 20%) seems like a calculated effort to play down the significance of wind turbines in Texas in order to play down their part in the recent power failure.

Feb 18, 2021 at 9:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Texas weather: Are frozen wind turbines to blame for power cuts?
By Reality Check team
BBC News

I suspect that the BBC Reality Check Team have done a half-decent job in this article, and it's probably fair to say that Texas' recent power shortages aren't entirely the fault of relying on "renewables". However, two comments regarding the BBC's approach to news:

1. They certainly haven't mentioned that reliance on "renewables" probably made the situation worse, which it probably did;

2. Because the Texas situation (both extreme cold and lack of power) is seen as an attack on both the climate crisis narrative and net zero, they wheeled out the Reality Check team pdq. It's not difficult to see which side the BBC is on, and the point is that they shouldn't be on any side.

Feb 18, 2021 at 8:33 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

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