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As I understand it, Ireland benefits quite a lot from being in the EU. They've had a lot of grants and they also operate as a tax haven along with Luxembourg. It's why businesses like Amazon don't pay enough tax. Of couse the other EU countries are trying to stop the tax situation and Ireland is no longer the poorest end of the EU. To make up funds from losing us, plus all the new ambitions and costs the bill for membership will go up and the grants will go down. Until that happens though, Ireland is happy where it is. They won't leave just because we do.
It all depends on what happens to us. What deals will we strike and where? Will the EFTA group decide to form a new group with a better deal? If such a group were to form, it might lure more members to leave the EU's growing intrusion, inflating bills and lack of protection for members from foreign invasion (lets face it, that's what we're seeing, even if it's not an invasion by force).
TinyCO2
As I understand it, Ireland benefits quite a lot from being in the EU. They've had a lot of grants and they also operate as a tax haven along with Luxembourg. It's why businesses like Amazon don't pay enough tax. Of couse the other EU countries are trying to stop the tax situation and Ireland is no longer the poorest end of the EU. To make up funds from losing us, plus all the new ambitions and costs the bill for membership will go up and the grants will go down. Until that happens though, Ireland is happy where it is. They won't leave just because we do.
It all depends on what happens to us. What deals will we strike and where? Will the EFTA group decide to form a new group with a better deal? If such a group were to form, it might lure more members to leave the EU's growing intrusion, inflating bills and lack of protection for members from foreign invasion (lets face it, that's what we're seeing, even if it's not an invasion by force).
TinyCO2
@Ross Lea, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:29 PM
My solution to the NI boarder situation would be to invite the Irish Republic to leave the EU and sign a trade and customs union with the UK. It is not as far fetched as it may seem remember the referendum that gave the wrong answer and had to be re-run after a project fear prototype. When we leave the Irish Republic will no doubt be asked to pay more into EU coffers; they are already p*ssed off with a possible EU wide tax policy.
RoI joined European Common Market because UK joined. Leaving would be a similarly sensible decision.
Pcar
Someone posted about this yesterday, but Telegraph paywalled
Full article:
Nicola Sturgeon plans to give all Scots a ‘citizens’ income’ and phase out petrol and diesel cars by 2032
Pcar
@golf charlie
I wondered if that was part of what prompted Pcar's query.The footage of toothed killer whales deliberately beaching, inorder to grab sunbathing seals was filmed in South America, and I don't think that method of hunting/killing has been observed elsewhere, but the reward of a fat juicy seal made the risk worthwhile. For the larger baleens, there is (normally?) no advantage in entering shallow water.
Mariners are very wary of shallow water especially if it is tidal. Submariners risk embarrassment in peacetime, and destruction in wartime.
Correct. Another example is Dolphins herding fish into beach water, fishermen net fish & share with dolphins.
Thus, beachings may be failed fish hunting due to tide. Simple reason is often true reason.
However, I'm more than happy for Whale Greens to use it as a reason for banning wind-farms :)
btw: one of those mackerel/jellyfish invasion years a basking shark swam into a narrow cove near home - tide went out and stuck. Stinked
Pcar
Rutherford's prog blurb says
" All creatures flourished on panels at 1 degree C above TODAYS's chilly waters and in fact grew astonishingly quickly on them. But a 2 degree increase saw some continue to flourish vigorously but many species fail."
" Heated settlement panels were used to create three test conditions: ambient and 1C and 2C above ambient (predicted in the next 50 and 100 years, respectivel"
yet the scientist Lloyd Peck (press release) clearly said "The oceans are expected to rise by at least 2C by the end of century"
...OK the words TODAY and ambient seems to say their baseline is today's temps
and their report says the 2C is predicted for 100 years time"
i that's 2117 not "the end of century"
ii I don't accept that IPCC predict that The oceans are expected to rise by at least 2C from today's values by 2117
I think you could say IPCC predict that The oceans are expected to rise by at least 2C from pre industrial levels
stewgreen
Tomo it is refreshing, though, to see many of the comments the twit is getting to the tweet.
Radical Rodent
Just watched first episode of Sky Atlantic's TinStar, your everyday story of Big Oil: polluting, road blocking, manipulating, spying, threatening, and murdering. Shalt be watching episode 2.
Supertroll
Sep 7, 2017 at 9:03 PM | tomo
The Guardian has to rely on Bill McKibben for their Climate Science horror stories, and Bill McKibben relies on The Guardian for his.
golf charlie
Sep 8, 2017 at 12:12 AM | Pcar
Next, we will have wildebeest being eaten by crocodiles as they cross rivers, as proof of Global Warming.