Jun 21, 2018 at 9:39 PM | Mark Hodgson

As a trouble shooter, when it comes to things going wrong, I too would look at the probability of cock-up, before considering conspiracy. The conspiracy tends to follow, as too many try to cover up the cock-up.

I appreciate that in just one hospital within the NHS, there are going to be rivalries, power struggles, jealousies amongst staff, and that complaints may be made about individuals by others, out of spite or malice.

Returning to Shipman, once again, what started as one person voicing concerns about too many coincidences, "mushroomed".

"Drugs overdose" is the recorded cause of death of many drug addicts. How often is it actually recorded as the cause of death in a hospital? Shipman got away with it for years, presumably because in the absence of "suspicious circumstances" no post mortems were carried out. So what happened in Gosport?

(not expecting you to know, just voicing my queries!)

golf charlie

Cock-up is usually the explanation, rather conspiracy, in my estimation. The problem with the NHS is that there are an awful lot of cock-ups (cocks-up?), and there seems to be a tendency to close ranks and cover-up, which is not conducive to trust in those cases where an "innocent" explanation may in fact be the correct one.

Jun 21, 2018 at 8:28 PM | Mark Hodgson

Hence my previous comment about incompetence or malice ie Shipman, or assisted dying. If the latter is ruled out, that leaves incompetence or malice. If a nurse had flagged up concerns, and was ignored, how prevalent was the incompetence or malice?

What was the evidence that was not found or revealed previously, that led to a different conclusion this time, and why wasn't it previously found or revealed?

World Champion People Smuggler George Soros, has been funding resentment within the EU about the EU, but is still paying to reverse the UK BREXIT Vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/29/enemy-of-nationalists-george-soros-and-his-liberal-campaigns

"His Open Society Foundations (OSF) have funded NGOs advancing human rights, the rule of law, education, public health, LGBT and Roma rights and a free press across central and eastern Europe and in more than 120 countries, giving away more than $14bn."

"But the tide turned against the financier during Europe’s 2015 refugee crisis, when his generous backing for charities helping migrants, and support for the EU’s resettlement plan, brought him into direct conflict with ultra-conservative, rightwing governments including that of Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán."

"Orbán, who calls Soros “an American financial speculator attacking Hungary” who has “destroyed the lives of millions of Europeans”, based his successful re-election campaign this year on attacking a supposed “Soros plan” to flood Hungary with Muslim migrants."

The Hungarian government’s planned “stop Soros” law, which would enforce a 25% tax on foreign donations to NGOs that “back migration to Hungary” and allow the interior ministry to reject groups that work on migration issues for “national security” reasons, last month forced the OSF to close its Budapest office.

"In the US, Soros’s support for groups protecting gay and lesbian rights and campaigning to reduce police violence has also made him a target for rightwing attacks, fuelled by donations to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and a $10m donation to the fight against hate crime following the 2016 election of Donald Trump."

Jun 21, 2018 at 8:56 PM | Martyn

Yes, so why is George Soros encouraging so many to go to the EU?

Why not fund infrastructure projects to make their own countries better?

Freedom of movement is everybody's right as long as you go where you're directed to go.

Supertroll - "...the situation is one of overmedication of patients needing pain relief." But is it? I don't know any more than you, but one report I read in the paper this morning had relatives complaining that relatives were being given morphine even though they weren't in pain and were begging to be taken off it.

Also, the cover-up stinks. If the situation is as you describe it, then why the cover-up?

The Press are to introduce our Shadow Home Secretary to St George bunting

https://order-order.com/2018/06/21/press-gallery-welcomes-thornberry-england-flags/

If anybody finds themselves stranded on the nonEU side of the Mediterranean, here is your handy free trip arranger

http://w2eu.info/index.en.html

" w2eu.info provides contacts and counselling to refugees and migrants on their way. At the outer borders of Europe, people are refused entry, they are imprisoned and deported. Nevertheless people are coming. w2eu.info is supporting you who come to Europe in your struggle for a better life.
 
"I can see clearly now what Europe looks like, that it sends its armies to fight us at the sea and puts us in awful prisons. Together we have to start  a second journey to another safe place that might exist in the future."
(Eritrean woman, arriving on the island of Lesvos)
 
We welcome all travellers on their difficult trip and wish you all a good journey - because freedom of movement is everybody's right! "

So there you have it. Has anyone tried "freedom of movement is everybody's right!" at a UK Train Station? (assuming there are any trains)