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EM: I see you refer to RCP8.5 to support your claim. Would that be the same model that produces this chart of actual v reality?

Oct 31, 2018 at 10:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

Golf charlie

Thank you, golf charle, you demonstrate my point admirably.

No incisive analysis, no numbers, no evidence. Just a sarcastic reference to a businessman who managed to bankrupt his own casino and whose climate change denial is costing his country a fortune.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1362

" The combined value of market and nonmarket damage across analyzed sectors—agriculture, crime, coastal storms, energy, human mortality, and labor—increases quadratically in global mean temperature, costing roughly 1.2% of gross domestic product per +1°C on average. Importantly, risk is distributed unequally across locations, generating a large transfer of value northward and westward that increases economic inequality. By the late 21st century, the poorest third of counties are projected to experience damages between 2 and 20% of county income (90% chance) under business-as-usual emissions (Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5)."

Oct 31, 2018 at 10:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Pcar,michael hart, golf charlie

Here's an example. Rather than making vague rude remarks about wind power, why are you not going to sources such as Lazard's Levelised Cost of Energy Analysis.

https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-2017/

Perhaps because it shows that in the US wind power can be cheaper than anything else. The only realistic competitors are utility scale solar and combined cycle gas.

In 2017 combied cycle gas came in at $42 to $78 per MWhr..

Utility solar PV came in at $43 to $53 .

Wind came in at $30 to $60.

The BEIS Electricity Generation Costs Report gives somewhat higher overall costs for the UK, but the same relationship. Onshore wind is cheapest with solar PV and combined cyclegas the only realistic competitors.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/beis-electricity-generation-costs-november-2016

Oct 31, 2018 at 10:20 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Oct 31, 2018 at 9:38 AM | Entropic man

If you want to play Trump Card Climate Science, Trump is winning, because Climate Science has run out of cards to play.

Oct 31, 2018 at 9:50 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Pcar, Michael hart

Forgive my pedantry, but it was a grammar school. I taught mainly biology, but found myself teaching physics, chemistry, geology, astronomy and anything else they threw at me. This gives me a broad knowledge base.

What qualifies you to pontificate here, on such a broad range of subjects?

Oct 31, 2018 at 9:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Oct 31, 2018 at 8:13 AM | Supertroll

With acknowledgements due to John Steinbeck (plough-pushing dirt grubbers) "view-blighting money pumps"?

I am NOT against Unreliable power generation. The biggest problem with Unreliable power, is the one the "Renewables" industry uses PR spin to avoid mentioning, hoping no one will notice.

Oct 31, 2018 at 9:21 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Gwen. How about "view blighters" as an alternative for your money pumps?

Oct 31, 2018 at 8:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Stewqreen
Thanks for the links, I must have phrased the question in a way that gave the usual reports on fatalities.

Oct 31, 2018 at 7:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterUibhist a Tuath

The Dutch Wikipedia entry on windmills has been assembled with a wry sense of humour, including a picture of Spanish windmills "of the type contemplated and mistaken for giants [and tilted at] by Don Quixote", and one in Jerusalem that "has never worked, because of insufficient wind". They have an endless classification of different types.

Oct 31, 2018 at 12:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterIt doesn't add up...

@michael hart, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:23 PM

Good post

@EM a retired "science" "high school*" teacher - thus a know something, but not enough to be a Physics, Chemistry or Biology teacher

Says it all.

Seems my "science" qualifications are superior to EM's.

* high school not Grammar school.

Oct 31, 2018 at 12:27 AM | Registered CommenterPcar

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