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Discussion > COP22 Attendees

I thought COP22 was bad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39954423

Paris climate deal is 'lifeline' for world's poorest countries
By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent

The world's poorest nations say the Paris climate agreement is their "lifeline" and must be strengthened.
The Climate Vulnerable Forum, (CVF) representing 48 countries, said the deal was crucial to their survival.

"Thousands of delegates are meeting here in Bonn to develop the rule book for the Paris deal." Of course they are! I wonder if there is a delegate list I can pore over....?

Here's their website, if you can bear to look at it:

http://www.thecvf.org/

May 17, 2017 at 10:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Mark Hodgson,

Thank you for the suggestion! I looked at Resourcing, which is a Politically Correct way of saying Sources of Other People's Money.

Trust Fund
"The Climate Vulnerable Forum Trust Fund (CVFTF) is administered by the United Nations Development Programme’s Multi-Partner Trust Fund Office and is the key mechanism for supporting the work of the Forum."

I can certainly imagine the panic, as "Developing Countries" are now realising that the magic supply of money from the United Nations may be subjected to a medium term drought, due to political climate change in Washington.

One of the other headings was "Roadmap". This seemed an unfortunate choice of word, as the Green Blob are so opposed to transport systems that require roads. Wouldn't "Rough Tracks used by Emaciated Donkeys and Slave Labourers" be more appropriate?

I would love to know if anyone actually pays to go on one of these junckets from their own funds.

If advocates of Global Warming really need to continue travelling by plane to attend conferences to whinge about wanting more money, haven't they proved that they have achieved absolutely nothing at all?

May 18, 2017 at 12:07 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2017/sb/eng/inf01.pdf

List of participants
The attached list of participants attending the forty-sixth sessions of the Subsidiary
Body for Scientific and Technological Advice and the Subsidiary Body for Implementation
and the third part of the first session of the Ad Hoc Working Group on the Paris Agreement
has been prepared on the basis of information received by the secretariat as at
Tuesday, 16 May 2017.

Cry shame! There are only 3,389 of them in attendance. What a poor do.....

May 18, 2017 at 8:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Cry shame! There are only 3,389 of them in attendance. What a poor do.....

May 18, 2017 at 8:19 PM | Mark Hodgson

Travel costs, food, accommodation averaging £500-£1,000 per delegate?

PLUS: Venue hire? Marketing? Publicity? Media coverage?

MINUS: the delegates are not doing anything more destructive in their work time.

MULTIPLIED BY: 3,389

TOTAL: an unprecedented amount of UNnecessary Useless Claptrappers, that the World has to pay for.

May 18, 2017 at 9:14 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@Mark Hodgson,

I belong to Youth Crime Watch of Nigeria and you can't be greater the UNFCCC who approved our participation. The issue of climate change is beyond your limited thinking, CC is wreckin havoc in Nigeria, causing serious security challenges, farmers/herdsmen attack, deforestation is there causing communal conflicts and the likes. We are a responsible organization, and at any event three things happens: participants learn, unlearn and re-learn. So next time, think before you talk.

May 22, 2017 at 8:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Adeleye

May 22, 2017 at 8:56 AM | Casey Adeleye

Thank you for commenting here. I do not doubt that Nigeria has many problems.

Why are you so confident that Climate Change is causing the problems you describe?

What does Nigeria need now, to address the problems you describe?

May 22, 2017 at 9:48 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Casey

Welcome, and thank you for your comment.

In addition to golf charlie's questions, please can you tell me:

1. Why your organisation sent 6 people to COP22?

2. What exactly their contribution was to COP22?

3. What they learned as a result of their attendance, which they could not have learned by reading notes brought back by a single attending delegate?

4. Who paid for them to go, and why?

5. Could that money have been better spent in Nigeria?

I look forward to your response with great interest.

May 22, 2017 at 7:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Casey

A clarification, and a follow-up question, if I may.

The clarification concerns the fact that your organisation sent 5 delegates to COP22, and I mentioned 6. The 6th attended as a Grantham Scholar at the University of Sheffield, but Youth Crime Watch of Nigeria is expressly mentioned under name.

My follow-up question - why were most of your delegates from New Zealand?

I hope you can help to clarify this for me.

May 22, 2017 at 7:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

What havoc wrought, or wreaked, ah, fuggeddiboutit, worked? So next time, handle before you think.
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May 23, 2017 at 3:34 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

I can not believe that you folks want to establish communications with Youth Crime Watch of Nigeria? Youth crime has no link with climate so there is no need for Casey to be reading this site or more importantly for her to attend climate conferences.

May 23, 2017 at 2:23 PM | Registered CommenterDung

Dung

Casey contacted us, not the other way around. I believe it is only polite to engage with such people. I don't expect any further input from Casey, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

Having said that, I'm going to be offline for a few days, so won't be in a position to respond further anyway until well into next week.

May 23, 2017 at 7:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Well, so far it's a swing and a miss. It seems mighty Casey has struck out.
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May 23, 2017 at 10:23 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

I'm busy presently and do not have time for now until tomorrow. Expect my response to issues raised by Mark. Thanks.

May 23, 2017 at 10:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Adeleye

Quoting from Fabiyi, "the intensification of the Boko Haram crisis in the last five years has caused nomadic Fulani herdsmen to abandon their foraging grounds in the North East

Climate change has caused desertification in the far north, and has led to extended drought and an estimated 20% drop in crop yields across the rest of Nigeria.

The combination of a growing cattle population, the effects of climate change on the availability of water and forage crops, as well as the lack of access to North Eastern foraging grounds due to the Boko Haram crisis are the proximate causes of the increasing tensions between farming communities and Fulani herdsmen.

Solutions that have been proposed in a grazing bill that focuses only on appropriating grazing lands and stock reserves will lead to an intensification of conflicts. Others have suggested that Fulani herdsmen should be provided with ranches by willing governments at the state and local government level. The debates so far have been waged on an emotive and geopolitical basis, with little consideration for the basic math of what resource requirements will be needed to support 20 million cows – that will continue to grow at about 2% per year.

You can read from these links to get a better understanding of the problems: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36139388 ; http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/kwame-botchway/how-climate-change-is-driving-conflict-between-fulani-herdsmen-a/ and http://www.newsweek.com/nigerias-new-security-threat-herdsmen-farmer-conflict-motivated-climate-change-459528

Leadership is key to solving Nigeria's problems and proper orientation and education to citizens for them to become active participants in governance and democracy. Yes, we have more educated Nigerians which are becoming educated illiterate when it comes to issues pertaining to progress and development such as climate change, women issues, peacebuilding, conflict resolution, ICT, STI to mention but few

May 24, 2017 at 8:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Olugbenga Adeleye

On your questions @Mark Hodgson
1. Why your organisation sent 6 people to COP22?
In as much as we loved to participate in COP22, we did not send our organization personnel to the conference due to financial constraint; however, others who approached us to help them get their delegates register were given the opportunity. So the 6 people to COP22 were not originally from the Youth Crime Watch of Nigeria

2. What exactly their contribution was to COP22?
Since the 6 people are not from my organization, I can’t tell their contributions to COP22. As an organization, we prefer working locally for global effect; we are a pragmatic organization ready to make contribution where necessary.

3. What they learned as a result of their attendance, which they could not have learned by reading notes brought back by a single attending delegate?
Please refer to 2 above

4. Who paid for them to go, and why? Don’t know, look for the organization from New Zealand who used our platform and ask them

5. Could that money have been better spent in Nigeria?
Refer to 4 above

May 24, 2017 at 8:43 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Olugbenga Adeleye

The clarification concerns the fact that your organisation sent 5 delegates to COP22, and I mentioned 6. The 6th attended as a Grantham Scholar at the University of Sheffield, but Youth Crime Watch of Nigeria is expressly mentioned under name.
My follow-up question - why were most of your delegates from New Zealand?

Like I said in my response earlier, we gave our slots to an organization in New Zealand since we were unable to attend the conference in person. There’s no point wasting an opportunity when some people are begging for it.

May 24, 2017 at 8:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Olugbenga Adeleye

So what, pray tell, is causing the climate change bedeviling those cattle cultivators, and how do you know?
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May 24, 2017 at 10:58 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

The trouble, Casey, is ascribing blame inappropriately. Any solutions proposed through misattribution are doomed to failure or ineffectiveness. You are wasting your time worrying about AnthroCO2, whose warming is net beneficial and whose greening is a great good.
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May 24, 2017 at 11:01 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Please read my earlier submissions and links provided, if you,re satisfy Google it.

May 24, 2017 at 11:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Adeleye

Heh, why should I read now what you've written when I haven't read what you've written before? But carry on; the blame for your polity should not be on AnthroCO2.
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May 24, 2017 at 11:35 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

'Hulk Hogan' KIM, since you know all things, why can't you visit the troubled zones affected by climate change and make it green? I still dey laugh

May 24, 2017 at 11:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Adeleye

May 24, 2017 at 8:35 AM | Casey Olugbenga Adeleye

Thank you for your responses. The first 3 paragraphs of your 8:35 AM post, talk about increased demand for grazing in an area of warfare, that is not under the control of any form of Government.

I have never been to Nigeria, and my knowledge of Boko Haram comes from news media. It does seem that Boko Haram are causing the problems, not Global Warming.

You then identify that a growing population requires more food, and increased agricultural production. Satellite photos suggest that desertification is not increasing as was feared, but decreasing. I do accept that increased grazing, especially by goats etc may destroy plant life, as they tend to eat the whole plant, whereas cattle tend to eat the leaves, allowing fresh growth to occur.

You confirm that agricultural production will need to increase by 2% per year. This has not been caused by Global Warming or Climate Change. You confirm that Boko Haram prevent proper Government, and management of scarce resources.

If the CO2 levels in the atmosphere stopped rising, and started falling, would Nigeria's problems of a rising population and warfare be solved?

What do you believe will fix these problems as soon as possible?

I believe that if Nigeria had reliable power supplies, providing electricity, pumped water from wells, better irrigation etc, some of these problems could be addressed. Is that the sort of help that Nigeria requires?

May 24, 2017 at 11:39 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Sorry, Casey, knowing all is not perfectly helpful with doing all, as if I do indeed know all.

Personally, I have slapped ox dung against the sundrying walls of huts. At that time, half the world's population worked hard at physical labor from dawn til dusk, for barely enough money to survive, some failing even that minimum. That half was denied cheap and available power. There is your problem.
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May 24, 2017 at 11:50 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Once you identify a fool, just waka pass, kim

May 24, 2017 at 11:55 AM | Unregistered CommenterCasey Adeleye

Yeah, you've been bamboozled by the Green Blob, poor fool you. Making energy cheap and available has been taken off your table by those wasting your time and effort, while your countrymen suffer.
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May 24, 2017 at 12:01 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim