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AK 29 July 4:12, absolutely right about funding being approved, if Climate Change is mentioned! There is a 97% Consensus paper that proves it! That the 97% Consensus paper reinforces previous 97% Consensus papers, just proves that there has been a Consensus for many years that mentioning Climate Change is known to help with getting funding.

If you replace 'increasing risks from Climate Change' with 'increasing risks from Pink Elephants', many of the papers abused for the purpose of the 97% Consensus make as much sense, possibly more. The risks that result from uncontrolled pink elephants have not changed in the last 25 years, but many more consequences of uncontrolled pink elephants have been identified.

Jul 30, 2016 at 8:21 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

golfCharlie. All this talk of pink elephants suggests there has been a leakage from Unthreaded where we were discussing the best ways to serve gin and vodka.

You seem to be criticizing the use of publication metrics as a means to measure the worth of applicants for awarding grants. While acknowledging that this can be abused (and has been in the case of much of climate change) it seems to be the best way of evaluating those applying for research funding.

There are many other problems associated with the grant awarding system. I experienced one, which put me off applying altogether. Proposals are sent off to 3-4 reviewers who are supposed to critique them and the proposers. One project I submitted was turned down largely on a negative review. Several years later I discovered that reviewer had used my idea in his own proposal which was funded by a different granting agency. The whole process is supposed to be fair, but it isn't. I continued to research topics that used no funding other than small amounts available from my School, or I got PhD students to study alongside me.

Jul 30, 2016 at 9:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterAK

AK 9:25 some of these academics are downright devious when it comes to getting funding!

Pharmaceutical research is coming in for some high profile criticism about fraud and corruption, but no one is wanting to see a ban on pharmaceutical research, and vey few within pharmaceutical resarch are going to criticise the funding process, for fear of cutting themselves out.

Jul 30, 2016 at 11:28 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Isn't there something about the root of something being the love of something or other somewhere? Just as predictable as the green blob corruption, but your example doesn't have the love of power to give it its particular sting.

Jul 30, 2016 at 11:46 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

All very well, but I'm still interested in the subversion of other science because of the difficulty of funding basic (blue sky) studies which have to be dressed up by their association with socially or politically relevant matters. Clearly, when those matters are related to climate change you don't like them, and when published, those studies are rightly mocked. But the alternatives are 1) not to conduct them at all, or 2) fund them regardless of their lack of obvious benefit at large. Early in this thread some implied that the state should not be funding science unless there is an obvious societal benefit and in most cases such studies should seek outside funding. Non viable science projects should not be funded. I totally disagree. I believe the necessity of science projects being required to demonstrate worth to society (using existing metrics) has had a devastatingly adverse effect of science in the UK.

Jul 30, 2016 at 12:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

The method is becoming universal and universally destructive. Yet, Parbati has her beastie.

Jul 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Kim. Flummoxed again. I know of a Parbati from a part of India that always reminds me of a sneeze, but what was her "beastie" and their relevance here?

Jul 30, 2016 at 1:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

AK, Climate Scientists have been well funded to warn us all of the dire consequences , of ignoring their dire warnings about Pink Elephants.

They still have not proved that there is a risk from Pink Elephants, but we are all paying for Pink Elephant defences.

Buildings can be constructed to be more resistant to earthquakes and tsunamis. Geologists are able to identify areas at increased risk from earthquakes and tsunamis. Earthquakes and tsunamis still can not be prevented or predicted, despite the fact we all know the terrible consequences.

The threat posed by Pink Elephants can only be guessed at.

Jul 30, 2016 at 1:27 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Sleep it off gC, those pesky pink pachyderms will be gone when you wake up.

Jul 30, 2016 at 1:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

More commonly spelled 'Parvati'. Unfortunately I cannot remember the story in detail, and can't find it in the Wiki entry for her, but the gist is there. She protected one last critter from her husband's destruction.

Jul 30, 2016 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

AK 1:57, now if you had said that to Phil Jones , or Michael Mann or .......

I have no issues with Pink Elephants, real, imaginary or concocted by Climate Scientists!

Jul 30, 2016 at 2:15 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

The issue hasn't gone away

Brexit and Higher Education - What next? Policy-UK Forum, 7th December 2017, Central London
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Brexit and Higher Education:
International Competitiveness, the Impact on Research Programmes and Tackling Misperceptions
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Aug 23, 2017 at 12:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll