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Clexit - Josh 381

At 'The London Confrence' there was also discussion about 'Clexit' - like Brexit but a 'Climate Exit' - a new initiative by Viv Forbes - read about it here. I drew some cartoon notes along with those below but thought it was worth its own post.

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Dork, moving cargoes on the high seas doesn't take extremely large amounts of fuel compared to the value of the goods being shipped
You walk a tight rope it seems.

Sep 21, 2016 at 12:17 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Again western energy balance sheets pre Yom Kippur was dominated by heavy fuel oil burned locally.
The surplus produced was much less then today but also there was less scarcity.

Need I remind you that most people and companies ( with the exception of the connected combines) have been bankrupted by the sheer scale of operations.

To simplify: Producing huge surpluses is not much good if you cannot afford to eat it.

Sep 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

I have noticed that Josh has produced cartoons for WUWT which never appeared on BH (one with Mann siting on a Game of Thrones iron throne made of hockey sticks, and most recently his new temperature time line). Does this mean that Josh seeks a bigger audience and might abandon BH?

The absence of Bish was attributed to a holiday, but this explanation wears a little thin.

Perhaps loyal contributors might be informed about the fate of this much valued website.

Sep 22, 2016 at 8:44 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Dork, your answer makes no sense. There is less scarcity not more. More tonnage of goods, more variety, and more affordable. You are projecting......what?

Sep 23, 2016 at 3:40 AM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

@ Hunter.
Do you live in a gated community at the very center of empire?

Anyway you do not seem to understand what economic scarcity is.
If I live near a village with only one product to sell (beer) but I have unlimited cashflow then there is no scarcity.
If I live in a metropolitan center with unlimited variety and quantity of goods but with limited amounts of company tokens in my pocket then there is scarcity.

Again to repeat the economy is the production distribution and consumption system.
If a economy can produce and not consume - it is not really a economy.
It's a Maoist experiment.
The severing of this economic loop is best seen in the periphery of empire or in slums adjacent to the core.
Of course the slums are getting bigger.
Countries such as Greece, Italy and Ireland are the new slums
Soon it will be continents perhaps starting with the smallest inhabited southern hemisphere unit.

The point is: People no longer come down from the mountains to trade and drink in the village once a year.
They live inside the castle walls of the system.
Now even without access to free water.

Sep 23, 2016 at 9:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

Always fascinated by this hybrid castle church system surrounded by a towering hinterland.
The effort to detach itself, both spiritual and economic was extreme.

Sep 23, 2016 at 9:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

Dork you do talk utter tripe sometimes;

"If a economy can produce and not consume - it is not really a economy. It's a Maoist experiment".

I'm sure the economic entity that was the Faberge factory didn't realize when they produced the jewelled Easter eggs that they were engaged in a Maoist experiment". I imagine their confusion if you had been there to explain their predicament.

Sep 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

You cannot engage with either hard data (I gave you the extreme Oz mercantile experiment) or the immediate evidence of the world around you.
Instead you pluck a obscure artifact out of your little head and push it in front of my face.
We are dealing with the collapse of massive economic units mate.
I am not trying to sell something on the antiques road show.

Jesus talked about people like you.
People with eyes and yet could not see.
It's ipossible to brief a vegetable or indeed a government plant.

Sep 23, 2016 at 12:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

ACK, Now you realise the truth: the Dork isn't really a person but is the local Random Paragraph Generator. The RPG reproduces quite cogent sentences from elsewhere, but when they are tumbled in the RPG you get left trying, and failing, to work out any sense in the resulting paragraphs. There is no sense, the Dork is a rabbit hole trap, and the RPG operator enjoys his rationality satire at our expense.

Sep 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterBudgie

Yee guys have no clue.
Capitalism is the monopolistic imposition of unfair / inflated prices.
Massive Transmission and transformstion losses is purposeful as without physical scarcity the monopoly finds it extremely difficult to extract pounds of flesh.
This is as clear as day.
The evidence is stark and is seen in ultra sharp relief now as bigger and bigger systems topple so as to sustain concentration.

Try to imagine flows of inputs and outputs within every larger systems
Nicole Foss talks eloquently on this subject.

Sep 23, 2016 at 1:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

Dork I gave you the most extreme example that I could think of on the spur of the moment, an example that disproves your basic thesis. Not an obscure artefact but an illustrative example. All commerce involves producing products that are not consumed by the producers, not uncommonly unused by the producers . How much corned beef do you think was consumed by the gauchos on the Argentinean pampas?

Sep 23, 2016 at 1:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

You do not understand social credit.
We are not saying that production is not consumed
It is either consumed directly by consumers or indirectly by entropy or battlefield losses.
Observations orbit the entire circle.
The losses are obviously overwhelming end use consumption.
To give you a example
If you look at the Iea Sankey flow diagram for the world 1973 to 2014
You witness a increase % of final oil consumption in road transport over the years.
From less then a third of total to approx half of total.
These are real distribution losses.
Add in the massive increases to marine and aviation inputs as a % of total and you may grasp the scale of human non consumption.

Sep 23, 2016 at 1:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork Of Cork

Dork. Don't have my handy pocketsized IEA Sankey flow diagram to hand but I would guess that the increasing proportion of oil.used for transport reflects 1. more transport use and 2. more importantly the massive decline in the use of oil power stations in favour of gas and nuclear. Percentages can be rather tricky that way.

Sep 23, 2016 at 2:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Budgie. You may be right. Take the latest:

"You do not understand social credit." [No, nor do I want or need to].

"We are not saying that production is not consumed" [No you were saying - " If an economy can produce and not consume - it is not really a economy. It's a Maoist experiment". Very, very different, and total drivel

"It [social credit?, production?] is either consumed directly by consumers [seems reasonable] or indirectly by entropy [ can entropy consume social credit or production?] or battlefield losses [where? Cork, Norwich, Basingstoke?]"

"Observations orbit the entire circle" [Random Paragraph Generation in its most extreme form?]

Unfortunately the RPG does not appear to be powered by intermittent renewables.

Sep 23, 2016 at 3:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

This is getting repetitive but I guess one must always try to discredit a government plant.

The replacement of oil in domestic energy systems had real costs, resulting in its replacement by either dash for gas installations or capital intensive nuclear with large legacy costs.
This results in increased costs generally resulting in a collapse of local production / consumption.
Italy is a classic example.

There is a general loss of flexibility on gas switchover ( people become victims of fixed utilities) and the ability to transport gas across oceans is limited.
Even today the global LNG trade is limited to a few big players with Qatar and Australia as the big producers and Japan and Uk ( two densely populated island systems with limited resources) the big consumers.

So to summarise.
The inflation of the oil price in the 70s by the banking sector has come full circle.
Dash for gas economies are collapsing.

Sep 23, 2016 at 7:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Production is consumed by entropy.
I.e Empty production ( increased capacity) to escape prices imposed by the banking monopoly.

These are very simple concepts.

I have been very consistent is my correct observations.
End use consumption has been in continual decline since the early 70s
The data is very

Sep 23, 2016 at 7:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Apropos of not much, I don't think the banking sector had much to do with the oil prise rises of the 1970s. I do believe it was the OPEC countries achieving a greater rent for their commodity, the inability of the USA to continue flooding the market as peak oil in the 48 states began to bite (previously it, not Saudi Arabia, had been the swing producer), and the desire of AOPEC to punish the UK, USA and The Netherlands for their support of Israel. But then that's only history, isn't it? Compared with the broad sweep of Social Credit it is as nothing.

Sep 23, 2016 at 7:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Saudi Arabia is a banking proxy state.
OPEC as a organisation was and is a joke.
It's now generally understood that the inflation of oil was orchestrated at the very highest levels.

Again without mass consumer credit for cars and the like oil would trade at very low prices.
The 73 war was the jolt to disrupt the already highly unstable consumer war economies of that era.

Sep 23, 2016 at 7:30 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Evidence for some outrageous statements sadly lacking;
Saudi being a banking proxy state; my recollection is that Saudi had such a surplus that means had to be found to recycle its wealth.
OPEC being a joke, my view is that it was the most successful cartel ever formed. Like cartel theory predicts it lost effectiveness during times of oversupply.
Oil price hikes orchestrated "at the highest levels" sounds like rank hogwash - "like so much of what you are currently spewing out on this site.

Sep 23, 2016 at 8:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Recycle it's wealth claims where pray tell?
Through London and New York finance houses perhaps...
Laurence and your good self should take a joy ride on a apparently empty country road.
You are mighty crack.

Sep 23, 2016 at 8:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Sep 23, 2016 at 8:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

London, NewYork and other banks no doubt. But the question is "who is the client"? You are claiming Saudi was a cart. Odd that - possibly the new economic theories of SC?

Sep 24, 2016 at 7:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Dork. Thank you for your well wishes (a new low for you?). Unfortunately 1) I don't ride a moterbike and 2) it's impossible these days to find an empty country road even in Norfolk.

Sep 24, 2016 at 8:15 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Again, no empty roads because of the consumer war economy.
13.7 million new cars consumed in the EU during 2015
15 million ~ expected in 2016.
At 20,000 ~ a pop this explains where much of the central banks QE is ending up.
The same forces wanting to carbon ration the population are also engaged in this cataclysmic consumer war economy.

Sep 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

"The same forces wanting to carbon ration the population (i.e. the Greens and climate alarmists) are also engaged in this cataclysmic consumer war economy". Really?????

Sep 24, 2016 at 10:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Of course.
The banks were behind the war / rationing economy of the mid 20 th century.
It slowly changed into a consumer war / rationing economy.
( General motors started car consumer credit in 1919)
The so called war on climate is the next war.
You always witness superproduction ( see above) in conjunction with rationing.
It's the general characteristic.

For example present German war production is much bigger then even the Albert Speer late war economy.
Cars are simply lost to depreciation rather then tanks on a battlefield

All that matters to the bank is monopoly.
Monopoly executed through various methods of concentration.

Sep 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Another example of waste through ' trade'
If this activity increases the American economy is certain to collapse in a heap.

Sep 24, 2016 at 10:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

DoC. You are in such a far, far distant place that there can be no meeting place. TTFN

Sep 24, 2016 at 11:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Reuters piece on the drop of LNG prices relative to thermal coal.
Of course Reuters will never explain the true mechanism behind the drop of LNG prices

Australian gas rationing
This is the classic capitalist rationing / export dynamic seen in motion.

The most famous episode of this during the 20th century was the infusion of enormous amounts of American oil into England in 2 great spurts of activity.
The Great and second world war.
Previously the Us economy was effectively closed from a energy standpoint, importing only fleeing euro peasants and exporting grain and metal.

However this time it's different
American society is geared toward abundance.
It has never experienced chronic war rationing.

Sep 24, 2016 at 11:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Clive James, unreliable memoirs, the Dunny Man.

Sep 24, 2016 at 12:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

"Irish Households drew-down €98 million more in new loans for consumer purposes than was
repaid, in the three months to end-July 2016. This resulted in the highest annual growth since
February 2009 (see chart below).
New lending was greater than repayments for medium-term loans only, while repayments by
short and long-term borrowers continued to outpace new lending activity. Medium-term
consumer loans typically include loans for car purchase, furniture and holidays."

Irish based central bank latest money and credit report, July

1 to 5 year loans has been growing in Ireland since 2013.
A massive diesel car bubble has been created.

This is replicated throughout Europe.
There is no way in hell that consumers can repay the onrushing depreciation costs with their "Labour"

Sep 24, 2016 at 5:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Remind you of anything?
The subprime crisis circa 2005.
Watch this sucker go down on both sides of the Atlantic, grab your popcorn ( if you can afford corn that is)

Sep 24, 2016 at 6:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Dork, get help. Seriously.

Sep 26, 2016 at 11:57 AM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

But maybe yee guys simply find a agnostic Irish position alien.
The history of the Uk has been a annual doubling down of bets, year after year, century after century.

A inflation and urban concentration of the population now totally divorced from resources ( the village)
This need for constant resupply creates dramatic tensions.
Usually against continental powers, be it originally France, Germany and now Russia.

We must see economics today through a naval prism.
The UK is no longer losing ships to commerce raiders.
Ships are being lost to entropy.
Cargo ships are now built and broken down within a decade!!
The waste of resources is Incredible.

The UK brexit guys now hope that resupply comes from Canada and Australia.
If the US becomes national economy again it is screwed without the above old colonies refocusing their exports back to Albion.

This possibility explains the ever stranger circus acts in the UN assembly.
Assad is perhaps the last feudal leader on the planet.
Always the Uk has succeeded breaking up feudal arrangements so as to turn these new hinterlands into ranch systems.
Efforts to extract the surpluses have now become pathetic, involving the destruction of one of the oldest trading towns for a minimum and possibly negative return.

Cromwells adventueres was the model and has always worked on the past.
However the world is a sphere.
Expansion has stopped
Feudalism is the only rational response to a end of growth.
However the capitalist resistance to this is fierce.
If they are going down they will make sure we all go to the bottom together.

Sep 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Sep 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Dork, please. You don't even get fuel use. Binkers was never the major energy source. The village is not the source of worldwide resources. Ireland is a magic green Isle, and I love it, but the physics and economics work there as everywhere else. Next time I get to travel to Ireland and Cork it would be a pleasure to share a drink or three with you., if you would be willing to meet. But please, chill out a bit.

Sep 26, 2016 at 6:30 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Ireland is a American materialist dystopia.
The current second great plantation is the finishing touch.
You cannot revive a atomised American like society.
It's a impossibility.
The blowback from the FDR materialists has been horrific.
It's much like Gaelic Halloween exported to the new world and reimported as pure plastic shit.

Do not visit this banking jurisdiction.
You will almost certainly be disappointed.
Boston is more Irish then Cork.
It's Birmingham on the sea.

Sep 26, 2016 at 8:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Thanks to Friend *** (I'm not putting in his full name, to spare his blushes) for his continuing support.

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Sep 27, 2016 at 9:53 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupportOurLefty

I thought this was the Bishop Hill blog, not the Dork of Cork blog, which it now seems to be & is now spoiling what was once an interesting place to visit!

Sep 27, 2016 at 10:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

So very pleased your blogship has been returned to you.
Has the transplant settled in, and the scalp stitches stopped itching?

Sep 27, 2016 at 11:10 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

Listening to the Today programme again.
It was claimed by the importer of the American LNG that there was a shortage of gas in the North Sea.
This is incorrect.

If you observe the Uk energy trends publication covering Q1 2016 you will see gas production is up 6 %

The answer as always is in the consumption figures.
Nat gas consumption by the electricity sector was up a massive 43 %. In Q1
As this sector covers approx ~ half of total Uk gas consumption.....

There is a shortage of gas because they shut down the coal to electricity plants.
It's not a North Sea production issue, at least directly.
However the closure of Drax may be a indirect method of keeping the North Sea open by inflating Uk sourced gas prices through these shortage / industrial shortage mechanisms.

The dash for gas policy ( Nat gas conversion to electricity) unleashed by thatcher in 1990 and Ireland 10 years earlier is catastrophic.
It's especially damaging when a country becomes dependent on Lng imports.

Sep 27, 2016 at 12:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Ireland is a great little petri dish.
The dynamics within its systems is much easier to observe.
When they taped into the Kinsale field they had no real market as most people in Cork burned coal on a open fire / back boiler system.
A scrap metal plant based in the harbour was the biggest electricity user in the state supplied by the new gas turbines.
A fertiliser plant also in the harbour converted the gas into nitrates.
The fertiliser was then wasted on the then European agricultural overproduction system.

The point is: to get these operations started they must first waste resources.
This drives up the price.
In the current UK case the waste of Uk sourced gas in the transformation sector increases the domestic price up to the point where transatlantic shipment of LNG becomes possible and apparently economic.
However it totally wrecks the internal price structure of the real domestic economy.

Sep 27, 2016 at 12:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

No shortage of Diesel to do real work ( rather then drive around in circles)
This crazy energy situation may be solved if Deutsch Bank and it's car credit operations go under but it's a terrible way to run a society and economy.

Sep 27, 2016 at 1:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Not sure about the accurcy of this Ft piece from last year but it claims the 1.5 gigawatts of diesel generators registered is equilivant to the inputs of 24,000 Volks Golf's ( constantly running or what ?)
Anyhow this is a drop in the bucket when compared to the UK 2.5 million yearly new car market.

This is very much how the Uk operates
It plays a very smart strategic and clandestine game.
With the help of insiders who are handsomely rewarded it builds a new system under everybody's nose.
It's very much a RN type of thingy.
Give these guys letters of Marque in conjunction with achieving strategic goals.

Sep 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

If you believe the barents observer then pretty much the entire Russian northern fleet is out the gap.

Social creditors warned of this before the second world war.
As everybody seeks a mercantile market share...

Where is Jack Ryan when you need him?

Sep 27, 2016 at 6:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

What's his plan?

Sep 27, 2016 at 6:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

@ Friend *** Many thanks for your kind comments.

Alas, the operation has had to be postponed due to Far-Right Tory Austerity, which has literally devastated Our NHS, which Thatcher totally destroyed, and which is the envy of the world, and indeed elsewhere.

Sep 27, 2016 at 10:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterLeftyLovesRefutingNeoliberalLies


Sounds like the operation was perfectedly successful. Almost certainly yours was considered an urgent case and you were treated privately. Don't look into a mirror, and don't worry if people don't recognize your name.

Sep 28, 2016 at 6:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

South Australia total blackout:

"The state gets around 40 per cent of its energy from wind turbines, however in the current extreme weather the wind is too strong so the turbines aren't turning.

In December, Premier Jay Weatherill hosted an energy crisis meeting after the state's commitment to renewable energy sparked a spike in the prices of fossil-fueled energy, in some cases by as much as 10 times.

This July, the state government asked the owner of a gas-fueled power station to turn it back on. South Australia is connected to the National Electricity Market via an interconnector with Victoria, however it is believed this connection is currently down."


Sep 28, 2016 at 11:05 AM | Unregistered Commenterdennisa

do not think South Australia gets 40% of its energy from wind turbines.
I do not think South Australia sources 40 % of its electrical energy from wind turbines.
Perhaps just perhaps 40% of electrical production capacity Is wind but I even doubt that.

Rising prices almost entirely a result of mercantile energy policy.
The final trigger was massive LNG export and purposeful rationing of domestic gas.
It has all the hallmarks.of a very centralised top down policy goal.

Sep 28, 2016 at 11:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

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