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Tuesday
Jun282016

Playing the Lead - Josh 378

Please note, no actual Labour Leaders were harmed during the making of this cartoon.

Cartoons by Josh

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Dorky Boy, why don't you acquire a logic filter for your mind-vault?

Jul 10, 2016 at 1:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

You simply want a return to one party rule.
That's fair enough as I consider parliament using ballot box democracy as ineffective in the best times.
Aliaster Campbell whispering into one Pms ear and Grent Snappy are whatever he is calling himself this week in another.
You want a artifical rather then real stability in political life.
Fair enough mate.
Once people know where you are coming from and all.....

Jul 10, 2016 at 4:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

How about Lord Freud advising both parties on how to privatise the welfare system?

Instead of engaging in real distribution.
That is eliminating the usury component of basic goods so that everybody can live independent lives.

For some reason people think because you worked for Warburg bank you are independent.

Strange, very strange.
Do you think?
Perhaps not......

Jul 10, 2016 at 4:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Universal credit is considered by Mr Freud simply because it reduces admistrative costs for the great bank.
He has no attachment to your country or any for that matter.
It continues the catastrophic policy of redistributive taxation.
All of these policies are very predictable when looked upon with social credit eyes.
The disaster we are witnessing before us will continue it seems.
As people such as your good self cannot seem to get your head around the most elementary of propaganda.
Just to repeat capitalism is not, I repeat not a conservative position.
The Tory party is not conservative.
Oh God what does it take to make people grasp the fundamentals of political understanding?

Jul 10, 2016 at 5:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Alan kendall,

Well shame on you for not reading the Grauniad opinion piece I included. I did not include it to support any of the assertions about Venezuela (which I am happy to defend from more reliable primary sources if you want to get into an argument about them) but to support the view that even most died-in-the-wool socialists have ceased to try to defend the inept kleptocratic Venezuelan regime. I included the Guardian article to demonstrate that EVEN the Guardian has given up trying to defend the indefensible. Corbyn on the other hand has never recanted, and was still actively and publicly supporting the regime less than a year ago. That either makes him a swivel-eyed ideologue with poor discriminatory ability - no street cred - or more worryingly, he is aware of what has been going on and is undismayed by the offensive acts of a brutal and corrupt regime just because they call themselves socialist.

Jul 10, 2016 at 5:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterPaul_K

Paul_K. Hang on there, I am a die-hard Guardian reader much derided for it here. You do not recognize irony? You didn't detect an incongruity between the first and second part of my reply?

Goodness, association with Ayla is rubbing off.

Jul 10, 2016 at 6:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

Hitchens on Chilcot was funny as always on the Galloway radio show.
Again Blair was / is a intellectual lightweight.
He was not a Prime Minister in the real sense of the word.

Again everybody and his Auntie knew that the Iraq war was a agreessive expeditionary swipe.
The Parliament cannot feign ignorance in this regard.

However the objective was not nationalistic.
That it what has got most people stumped.
It was religious.
Sorry folks but capitalism is a pseudo religious cult.
It gave the Iraqis scarcity.


David Frum and the lads cannot accept that rational people do not want what they are selling and prefer to engage with tribalism in extremis.

Jul 10, 2016 at 6:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Irony consists in Alan failing to note Josh's practicing censorship while deriding it in his cartoons.

Jul 10, 2016 at 7:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

Russell. You are quite right I have failed to note Josh's censorship, so be so kind as to instruct me into your wisdom so that I might either feel remorse for my stupidity/inattentiveness, or share in your joke.

Jul 10, 2016 at 8:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

My best stuff has long been censored by the finest editors, bloggers for whom I have a great deal of respect. Foremost among them have been Judith Curry, Steve McIntyre, The Bish, Anthony Watts and Andy Revkin. There are others, and of course, much of my good stuff has been vanished by the alarmist bloggers, back when I was foolish enough to try to persuade them to the light.
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Jul 11, 2016 at 12:01 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

kim.
My best stuff has been self-censored.

Jul 11, 2016 at 5:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

Russell. I really have tried to unravel your meaning but because of internal ambiguities I have failed. There are two posts that appear linked because of implied criticisms of Josh. The first was "To scientic eyes and ears, Episcopal silence seems rivelled in grace only by white on white cartoons by Josh. The second post read "Irony consists in Alan failing to note Josh's practicing censorship while deriding it in his cartoons".

Partial analysis:

"To scientific eyes and ears": Mine? (given specific reference to me in second post) But why "ears"?
"Episcopal (= episcopalian?) silence" WUWT perhaps, but silence over what? Bish's absence?
"rivaled in grace" Bishop Hill?
"white on white cartoons by Josh" Cartoons that cannot be seen. On the basis of the second post = topics self censored by Josh?

"Irony consists in"(sic) Alan failing to note"* Why pick on me?
"Josh's practising censorship" So definitely an attack on Josh, so first posting also likely to be an attack.
"while deriding it in his cartoons" Who was deriding it? Josh? Alan? Did I ever deride Josh about censorship in his cartoons? I don't think so, and anyway if I failed to note any censorship....

So a puzzelment. Why accuse me specifically of not recognizing censorship? I haven't a clue.

* Actually I had noticed a bias or censorship, particularly in Josh's last two cartoons. He could have recycled both. The regretful Remainer cartoon could equally have been used as a regretful Leaver, and Corbyn's face could have been substituted by Boris's. I did think of posting these thoughts but self-censored for self preservation.

Jul 11, 2016 at 6:43 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

Alan kendall,

"You didn't detect an incongruity between the first and second part of my reply?"
No, not at all. If you re-read what you wrote, the most obvious subject of the second paragraph is me - condemned by the company I keep - i.e. the Guardian association which you criticise in the first paragraph. There is then no hint of irony, and the comment is a straightforward criticism of my use of the Guardian as a source, and an implied rejection of the content of my comment.

From your follow-up response, I now presume that the subject of your second paragraph was really intended to be Corbyn, and your statement referred to his keeping company with Maduro. With this interpretation, your first para may then be interpreted as ironic.

It may be you should be more worried by the effects of the Dork of York on the clarity of your writing style. I believe that you can now buy tablets.

Jul 11, 2016 at 8:59 AM | Unregistered CommenterPaul_K

I inadvertently mis-typed the title of our denizen expert on the Westphalian nation state. I meant of course to refer to the Dork of Cork in my last comment. No irony intended at all at all.

Jul 11, 2016 at 9:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterPaul_K

Paul_K. Thank you for acknowledging your misunderstanding of my Jul 10, 11.48am post, although I could have different ne with your last bit. Do you always treat your supporters in this way? Consider the following:

1. I mistakenly believed that by now everyone here knew that I read the Guardian and support the BBC. It's a standing joke with some here.
2. The tone I used I would have thought most would have identified as implying irony.
3. The most obvious target of the second part of my post was Corbyn. Your post dealt with JC's association with Maduro. You suggested supporters should be wary of his street cred. My comment echoed your main argument.
4. If I had been attacking you for real, and not JC, why do you think I ended by suggesting JC should return to the back benches?

It should be clear now that I was supporting your view 100%

If you accuse me of being unclear in my writing look around. Try interpreting Russell.

Jul 11, 2016 at 9:40 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

Paul_k. My wicked spellchecker trashed my first sentence which should have ended - I could have done without your last bit.

Jul 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlan kendall

Alan kendall,
OK.
The written word is sadly always more prone to misinterpretation than the spoken word. I have on several occasions written statements in blogs which I thought were so extreme in their absurdity that no-one could possibly view them as anything other than sarcastic parody - only to find some people applauding the statements or someone else attacking me for the stupidity of my views. The tone interpreted by the reader of a short comment is not always, and maybe hardly ever, the tone intended by the author. As a perfect example, the sentence that you could have done without was intended to be light-hearted riposte given your own reference to Ayla. It was not intended to be particularly offensive.

As for Russell, unlike you and I, he is a paragon of clarity in his comments, and I am surprised that you find any problem with their interpretation.

Jul 11, 2016 at 11:12 AM | Unregistered CommenterPaul_K

Paul_K. Thank you. I think it absolutely appalling what is happening in the Labour Party and we desperately need an effective opposition now and in the future. I don't think JC can cut it.

Usually I end up agreeing to differ. It is a most pleasant change to end up agreeing to agree.

AK

Jul 11, 2016 at 12:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

@JC
He does not need to lead.
Opposition in Parliament has no function other then cement people's erroneous belief in ballot box democracy( democracy without a equity stake)

I probably disagree with almost everything Corbyn believes in.
But he strikes me as a man of honour.
That must count for something I guess.

Galloway is much the same.
A very shrewd and effective former Parliamentary operator.
Anybody who has the nouse to win a seat in the UK non PR system is gutsy
Again many of his beliefs are absurd but anything is better then your typical Blair corporate functionary.

Ps - the Tory party has again exposed himself for what it is.
A party of the city.
The bank has a claim on our souls and will not let itself lose its claims on us.

Jul 11, 2016 at 1:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

I would not be surprised that Leadsom set herself up or was instructed to set herself up by the appropriate authorities who want a so called steady hand.

A illusion of a strong leader much like Maggie Thatcher who was also a empty skirt.
A sort of post menopausal Joan of Arc.


Anything to do with female gaff stuff is a sure fire way to end a campaign.
You break the ovary rule etc etc etc


The British state apparatus is the most centralised construction imaginable.
I imagine most people would be shocked beyond belief.

Jul 11, 2016 at 1:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

If HRH Henry II was a poster here, I wonder how long it would take for him to ask to be rid of a meddlesome Dork?
Now if Henry II had a good sense of humor, there would never be a risk, but royals are not well known for humor.....

Jul 11, 2016 at 4:43 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Is there a correlation between the Dork-flux and the lunar cycle?

Jul 11, 2016 at 6:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Perhaps, but it's entirely astronomical rather then reproductive.

Ever since the Cecil administration these boys have used the image of the Virgin Queen to project whatever they are projecting.
The image of a Barren prime is entirely appropriate today.

These guys have form.

Jul 11, 2016 at 7:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdVhiOKRB0

Jul 11, 2016 at 7:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Place:
England, London, Downing Street, No. 10’s front door
Time:
2016. 13th July, 21 pm
Action:
Mr. Cameron kisses good night to Mrs. May and as she goes in he is overheard humming a tune…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

Jul 11, 2016 at 11:14 PM | Unregistered Commentervukcevic

Meanwhile,
Close by
Jeremy huddles in a room (guarded by his henchwench squeeze Dianne) practising his Kenneth Williams lines from Carry On Cleo.
and Crassus McCluskey lurks outside sharpening his de-selection knives with thousands of £3 tokens.

No wonder "our Dave" happily sings to himself.

Jul 12, 2016 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Any Scottish person wanting to know their future outside may want to look at Irish national accounts.

They are quite astonishing this year, even more so then the normal extreme.

Provision for depreciation has doubled in one year!!!!
Quite unprecedented and most likely a hidden accountancy trick that is used at the appropriate moment of time.
(depreciation is perversely added to Gdp)

Y2013: 28, 452 million euros
Y2014: 29,715 million
Y2015: 61, 558 million!!!!!!!

Net factor income from rest of the world.
Y 2013: - 28,310 million
Y2014: - 29,715 million
Y2015: - 53,173 million

This is profit, interest and remittance outflow.

Ireland Gdp is now over double net national product.
This is simply unprecedented.
Gdp: 255,815 million
Nnp: 121, 658 million.

Jul 12, 2016 at 12:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Let me explain why I think.depreciation apparently doubled in one year.
The Canadian monetary activist John Turmel (The King of the Paupers) is a very eccentric type of guy but is on the button.
He identifies two types of inflation.
Shift A inflation: credit chasing and inflating goods and assets
Shift B inflation: the usury class taking assets off the market via the process of debt default and seizure.

This practice was widespread during the bust. (NAMA)

Well Ireland is a damp climate.
Leave a house with no lights off for the best part of 10 years and you will find the costs of repair exceed the energy required to maintain it.

These are the costs we are now witnessing inside the Irish debt conduit.

I cannot think of any country that has experienced such a loss other then in war.
The figures indicate as if Ireland is financing a 100 billion euro expeditionary war.
Therefore the domestic rationing is very very extreme.

Jul 12, 2016 at 2:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Your grace can we please have a Dorkxit? Use Canon Law (or just a cannon).

Jul 12, 2016 at 3:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

@Supercool
Ireland is effectively part of the UK system.
Ignore it if you will.
I am stating there was a outflow of funds from this jurisdiction of over 100 billion euros !!

Do you think this a bit strange?

Do you think it effects Britain in some way ( perhaps explaining your domestic inflation)

The UK has effectively rejected the European surplus because they cannot afford to buy it.

(Prices exceed the ability to pay)

Jul 12, 2016 at 3:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

When England was a nation back in the middle ages yee told the banks ( then based in Italy) to go F$€k themselves.
The banks laid claim to national income as they do today.
Now yee guys seem to be happy making pacts with the devil.
It's been quite some turnaround.

Jul 12, 2016 at 4:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=COvpo-wgec4

John speaking at a local Canadian political gathering a few years ago.
Unfortunately he is more then a bit eccentric and sufferers from a Micheal Foot like PR problem.

Nevertheless a great speech was made starting at the 6.30 mark.
The political apparatchiks to his right remind me so much of Labour local operatives.
So trendy yet also so dumb.

Jul 12, 2016 at 5:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Heavyweight contest between Uk treasury and BoE interests.

These guys really Hate each other.

No spin accepted
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6gCe9Fuzk

Jul 12, 2016 at 6:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

So President Obama goes to Dallas to honour five dead Officers and those shot and injured last week.

Jul 12, 2016 at 11:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterDid Climate Change Kill them

WUWT running with a new thread our Theresa has canned the DECC ,so how long before she scraps the Climate Change Act.Which will be great hearing squeaky voiced mini mouse Barry Gardener trying to defend it.

Jul 14, 2016 at 9:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamspid

The Ex female members who resigned from Jeremy Corbyns last cabinet currently receiving death and rape threats.

Jul 15, 2016 at 9:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterBlame it on Climate Change obviously.

Propaganda to dislodge the Labour nativists.

The use of touchy feely emotional triggers is widespread.
If the bulk of female voters fall for it....
then it would make me question universal suffrage.

Jul 15, 2016 at 11:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

The sheriffs best lines....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qrZO-BvqaXA

Jul 15, 2016 at 11:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

http://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-dynamiters-irish-nationalism-and-political-violence-in-the-wider-world-1867-1900/

Interesting topical study
Rationing / capitalism creates a deep.madness in people
Loss of home and hearth a deep bitterness.

If they are then subsequently enpowered by let's say remittance inflows as the Irish in the late 19 th century -then people lose their moral compass.

The objective becomes nihilistic.
It does succeed within its own narrow parameters.

Jul 15, 2016 at 1:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Is it not long past time to rid this thread of a meddlesome Dork?

Jul 15, 2016 at 6:58 PM | Unregistered Commenterhunter

Hunter
Have you not walked through the breche in your lifetime?

I do not blame the Muslims.
Europe has been subjected to American style materialism.
They think we can start at the beginning with a constitution on one hand and ( scarce) money in the other.
But Europe did not begin with a blank slate.
Having Roland as a national /mytholical figure is a bit problematic when the train stations are full of oliver type Muslim kids waiting to pick a pocket or two
two.
The experiment is imploding.
It's not the fault of the peasant.
The usury class created this petri dish, I suspect out of pure malice.

Jul 16, 2016 at 12:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3TSoTjMa9M

Jul 16, 2016 at 12:12 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

If you read more than enough Dorky Boy (and who hasn't) you realize there's an Irish poet trying to get out. Consider his 12.07am offering and the use of "Breche" and later of "Roland" (refering to Hunter's cerebral cortex?), Muslim olivers picking pockets and "petri dish" (meaning the economic experiment he thinks we're in?). All indications of a poetic temperament, all failing because we don't care.

Dork perhaps you should try a poetry blog and cease belumbering this one. Try it, please.

Jul 16, 2016 at 7:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

I joined the Labour party to vote for Corbyn, it was one of his recent speeches at a demo in london that convinced me

Jul 16, 2016 at 9:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterLongrider

Supertroll
The Breche De Roland is a geographical feature.
A slash in a curtain of rock which forms a sort of porthole between France and Moorish Spain

Roland was a sort Fionn Mac figure for the French.

If we step forward In time to the reemgerence of capitalism / usury in the 1500s especially we had a succession of religious wars that ripped Europe apart.
This was not a coincidence
The Westphalia system managed to hold the system together afterwards, more or less.


It's my belief that the Muslims of today are preforming the puritanical role of the calvanists.
Creating disorder amongst deeply embedded belief systems.
But all of us are being used.

Sorry if I do the reading and walking stuff.
Wish I could do a Martin Guerre and reinvent myself in someone else's image but I have just one programme in my little head.

Jul 16, 2016 at 10:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

Dork. So you're not as poetic as I thought - the central sulcus in the cerebral cortex is sometimes known as the fissure of Rolando after a famous anatomist.

Jul 16, 2016 at 12:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

The fundamental problem remains.
That is usury.
(Prices exceed income)

Unless this cancer is expunged from Europe then the society can never reach equilibrium.
The increasing flux we see in society today is a result of this increasing intensity of these forces.

It does not take a poet to see this.
More of a engineer, indeed a accountant.

Jul 16, 2016 at 12:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

DofC. Have you ever considered setting up your own discussion thread? It would avoid annoying most here. I often recognize snatches of what you write as having merit/interest but I also get so easily lost. I would like, sometimes, to discuss with you matters that you raise, but am afraid to because I would, correctly, be accused as encouraging you. If you set up your own thread I promise to visit, honestly.

Jul 16, 2016 at 3:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

@Super troll
Everything seems to be coming back to Matthew 23.
I cannot help it if the logic leads back to that point.
I am merely illustrating current reality.

In this Norman Mailer interview you get close to my understanding.
But of course Mailer misleads when he states Jesus was a materialist and that money is evil.
The love of money is indeed evil but not money.

Mailer is very correct when he states the keel of western civilization was built on these stories.
We can debate if they were fiction or not but that is unimportant really.
The fact is these beliefs have dissolved.
Which means western civilization as we understand it is now over.

Jul 16, 2016 at 7:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ervVfLkRpk

Jul 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

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