Bishop Hill Those lovely BBC journalists
Jan 13, 2015 BBC Most of the presenters on the BBC News Channel are a bit of an unknown quantity to me - anonymous, featureless, characterless. The exception was one particular guy, whose casual use of the d-word at the time of the Fifth Assessment Report marked him out as a campaigner rather than a journalist. I noted his behaviour and I have recalled it when he has appeared on my screen but that was the extent of my interest. The BBC is full of people who are campaigners rather than journalists.
That was until this morning when I learned that his name is Tim Willcox and he facing calls for his resignation, after some outrageous behaviour during the march for free speech in France.
A BBC reporter has faced calls to resign after he told the daughter of Holocaust survivors in Paris: 'Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well'.
Journalist Tim Willcox sparked anger during his coverage of yesterday's rally in Paris, held in memory of the 17 victims of last week's terror attacks, including four Jewish people in a siege at a Kosher supermarket.
Potty mouthed, bigoted, biased. He's probably due for promotion.
Reader Comments (171)
E smiff,
Unless Israel created the moslum brotherhood your claim makes about as much sense as a climate scientists claims the deep oceans ate all the Mann Made Global Warming (tm).
Martyn,
Of course you omit WHO Jerusalem was captured from. I wonder, why would you omit such important context? Are you a climate scientist? :)
Mailman
E.Smiff said "Israel is a cancer, not just in Palestine, but the entire middle east".
Careful Smiff, your burkah is slipping!
Thank you for confirming what I already thought. As they say Smiff, it's far better to keep your mouth closed than to open it and confirm what we already thought.
Mailman
Mailman
I remember talking to Americans in Paris in the early 1980's who physically and verbally attacked in the streets because they were the dumbest people in earth. I spoke to a very nice doctor who said 'we protect you from the Soviets'. LOL !
Gaza is a ghetto with some features that resemble the infamous Warsaw Ghetto and its getting worse.
All the world rightly praise the gallant men and women who took part in the uprising in Warsaw.
With few real weapons the took on the mighty military Nazi machine.
The rising had no chance of success and was brutally suppressed
Better to die on your feet than live and die in a Concentration Camp was all they could hope for.
Some survivors of the concentration camps see Netanyahu repeating the evil of the Nazi's
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1408/S00175/jewish-survivors-condemn-massacre-of-palestinians-in-gaza.htm
People will not live as second class citizens in their own land.
What next for the Gaza Ghetto, will the consciousness of the World be so moved that Israel will be compelled to adhere to a two state solution and withdraw to borders outlined in United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.
This will lead to a much fairer and safer world.
Remember the problem of South Africa.
Solved by the wisdom of Nelson Mandela and Nationalist President F. W. de Klerk
Well said Bryan. South Africa only had one major friend in the world during sanctions, Israel. That relationship included the development of nuclear weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations
I know you can see this difference, but your BBC apologism needed a rebuttal.
Israel has the right to defend itself from organized terror attacks.
People who do not like where they live can de-camp, it is done the world over.Every year more people move for better
opportunities than the whole of Gazah times 10. So Gazans can do that as well. But they don't because being a paid professional victim pays well.
Israel has always been the excuse of dictatorships to trot out when there are problems. Assad did that on a regular basis but all the other kingdoms and sheikdoms used that as well.
Oh and lefties in the west in need of an issue to be angry about.
South Africa: More people die there from violence and racism every year than during the whole of the Apartheid regime.
Great result. Never mind the communist ANC their handling of their buddy Mugabe, Aids , etc.
But keep believing what the BBC tells you to think.
"Free speech or not, it's highly improper to ask this question during the mourning of the jewish victims. Plus he rubs extra salt in the wound with his second remark. Just bloody tasteless."
Dead right, hoi poloi!
This prat, Willcox, would not have DARED to suggest to the man or woman in the street that Lee Rigby's death was understandable because the British Army was slaughtering muslims in Afghanistan. Jews are a soft target amongst certain braindead sectors of the PC Tendency because they think everyone else thinks as they do, that antisemitism is the norm (and it is in most of the media) so there will be no comeback for their crassness. You don't go to a funeral and suggest the dead victims are the cause of their own demise. That is, perhaps, another discussion for another day.
Mars Shmallow, that's a pretty repugnant diatribe, and probably isn't as compelling an argument in support of Israel as you seem to think. Though, in fairness, I'd say it is about as good as it gets.
Simon Hopkinson
Just putting a sentiment in words does not make you right.
It might score you points in a wimmin talkshow though.
You do not address any of my points, so I 'll give you a few more.
the "moderate" muslim world has accomplished near hegemony in the 20th century: All christians and jews and animists have been pestered out their homes in m.e., or made into "nice, peaceful" muslims themselves. It does not get more fascist than that, does it.
So there should be 5M vacant dwelling (they are been approriated of course, without compensation, but their dwellings that could be considered as the owner was forced to leave)
So what is wrong in saying palis could leave if they do not like it ? they could live in the vacated dwellings
if theri muslim neighbours have any compassion for them (they mostly don't as they are all 100% racists, most
of the time, and that is a FACT)
they can leave: Is a world of difference with "been pestered out" or "forced to leave", and been allowed to leave
if you do not like it.Is a world of difference between living in a WWII warsaw ghetto and gazah, because they can leave.
Most Jews who got gassed you see, they could not leave anymore.
The Scum Leftbags in the BBC , and their brainwashed followers (YOU)
never have a word for those xian/jewish/animist people in the m.e..
Never. In 50y time. Lots of re heated hogwash about "palestine" though.
Never a word about the 500K Dutch and mixed race Dutch who were kicked out of Indonesia
By YOUR buddies, the muslims there.
Never a word about the Christian Greeks in Istanbul who had to leave in '74.
chased away by YOUR buddies.
There are remnants of what the Middle east once was: eg the Egypt Christian Copts.
Mostly reduced to do pariah style work. No government jobs allowed.
Highly discriminated against.
Not that the BBC and YOU will ever mention them, their outrage is VERY selective.
Now I know you will trot out the usual , 2 wrongs do not make a right, argument
but consider this:
When Israel is not attacked they leave the Palis alone.
Even better: During the inter-Intifada periods (when the West's Lefty Scum had other
priorities and ignored palis a bit) , Israel was a main employer to the palis and a good paymaster.
Israel is a high tech economy and can pay well.
If you talk to palis , when no Hamas thug (YOUR buddies) is looking over their shoulder, they will tell you they want
those jobs.
Being able to leave is the essence.==>
We should make sure BBC scumbags living the good life making propaganda at high pay , should ALSO
be made able to ufcking leave. I have MORE than enough of parasiting scumbags living out of my pocket AND having
to hear their ignorant opinions.
Ack, apologies. Clearly I mistakenly gave you the impression I was inviting even more insidious, distorted and somewhat unhinged frothing. That was not my intention.
Wow, browsing through theses comments, I see a lot of biggotted, pompous, small-minded, hair-splitting crap. Much of it devalues this otherwise excellent blog. Best to get back to the main subject.
It's about time for The Nekama Troll Hammer - http://1389blog.com/2010/09/19/nekamas-troll-hammer-where-it-all-began/
And a few thoughts:
"The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war." Benjamin Netanyahu
The IDF uses weapons to protect its people. Hamas uses people to protect its weapons.
We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” Golda Meir
I think this discussion has pretty much played itself out. It is somewhat interesting that perhaps those with the strongest views of racial hatred towards Jews who don't have any issues with the BBC'S reporting are also strongly in the Mann Made Global Warming (tm) catastrophiliac camp.
I wonder, would Lew be interested in writing a paper on racism and the left's rabid support?
Mailman
In fact, what I see is people taking a couple of sentences of ambiguous meaning and intent (did anyone listen to what the woman said, itself less than politically perfect?), hearing only what they want to hear (ie. cherry picking), and using it to reinforce their own prejudices and biases, and to berate those who disagree with them.
This is analogous, though on a much smaller scale of course, to those who use the 'holy texts' to do the same. That is what Charlie Hebdo campaigns against (though I don't agee with the style in which they do it).
Eco lefty anti Israel sentiment
The Watermellons really are turning themselves inside out
Unfortunately, denying the Holocaust is a thoughtcrime. Welcome to 1984, where you can be imprisoned for just thinking something.
oakwood
And what I see is that anti-semitism does not confine itself to any one class or political viewpoint and that, as you say, we would be better getting off this topic before we demonstrate conclusively that we are fundamentally no better than our opponents.
Willcox's comment was at best crass but was probably only just one more example of the appalling standards of current sound and vision "journalists" best summed up in the classic line "apart from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?" Modern media have no idea about how to carry out decent research and most of the airheads are incapable of rising above "talk us through it", "how did you feel when ...?", or Fiona Bruce's eternal stand-by "wow! that's amazing!" (Admittedly that is usually on Antiques Roadshow; the rest of the time she has a script to keep her under control.)
As marchesarosa says this was a discussion for another day but lost for a response all Willcox could do was reach for the good old "but the Jews ..." line. It says all you need to know about the media mindset (not necessarily Willcox's own) and the BBC in-house "line" that an anti-Israel comment was what first wandered into the otherwise empty space between his ears.
E. Smiff actually the 'nuclear bomb claim' turned out to be BS and its far from the case that only Israel had a mixed relationships with South Africa, plenty of Africa countries where more then happy to play both sides of the game when it suited them too.
Bryan the only 'ghetto' in history where its population has done nothing but increase and where five star hotels live along side rocket launching sites. and where the priority for constructing goes to tunnels , not to get things in or out of the ‘ghetto’ but into tunnels that make it easier for you to kill others on the grounds of their race.
Meanwhile do you think it would be a problem if your next door neighbour told you they where dedicated to killing you and your while family , which is Hamas openly and proudly held ideology?
Post World War II there were millions of displaced persons who found themselves on the wrong side of formerly international borders. They "moved on" and became productive, gainfully employed citizens elsewhere. Within a few years the European Displaced Persons Camps were no more.
The difference in Palestine/Israel is that the UN has financed certain politically motivated displaced Arabs to squat on a remnant of land as permanent refugees for more than half a century. That is the only difference between the European and Middle Eastern Displaced Persons situation. Certain Palestinians REFUSE, courtesy of outside subsidy, to "move on". All the Palestinians with get up and go have already gone (certainly, nearly all the Christian Palestinians have gone) you need only look at the stats for the Palestinian diaspora:
Jordan 3,240,000
Syria 630,000
Chile 500,000
Lebanon 402,582
Saudi Arabia 280,245
Egypt 270,245
United States 255,000
Honduras 250,000
Mexico 120,000
Qatar 100,00
Germany 80,000
Kuwait 80,000
El Salvador 70,000
Brazil 59,000
Iraq 57,000
Yemen 55,000
Canada 50,975
Australia 45,000
Libya 44,000
United Kingdom 20,000
Denmark 19,000
Peru 15,000
Colombia 12,000
Pakistan 10,500
Netherlands 9,000
Sweden 7,000
Algeria 4,030
The Americas, north and south, have certainly done their part in "solving" the Palestinian problem.
Those Palestinians that remain as "refugees" are now pawns in the invidious war launched by Militant Islam against the West. Israel is the hostage.
Islamic antisemitism dates from the birth of Islam and is well documented in the Quran and Hadith. The Jewish tribes of Arabia held out longest against Muhammad's hegemony and were murdered and threatened for it. Until muslims abandon their totalitarian "faith" there will be no peace between Islam and the rest. In fact there never has been since its inception. The "Religion of Peace" spin is hogwash. It is an expansionist, aggressive religion of "Submission".
The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.
His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1][2]
The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November 1917.[3] The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into the Sèvres peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire and the Mandate for Palestine. The original document is kept at the British Library.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Baron Rothschild had the power to draw the Americans into the war against Germany and is the clear reason Hitler claimed the Jews had betrayed Germany.
Surely Smiff you are depriving a village of its idiot?
Mailman
Mailman
You are depriving a prison cell of a virulent racist.
Simon Hopkinson
More BS sentiment, no arguments.
You should "work" in a nannystate milkfactory which you probably are.
This year alone about 3M people were dislocated, and about 500K violently murdered , thanks to the Kenyan and his progressive dunces their fancy wishful thinking.
That's a lot of "palestinian problem"'s , that is !
Lefty Scum lacks all sense of proportion, they'd rather discuss indefinitely how Israel put a wrong tense in a document of theirs, than any of their "achievements".
oh and telling you that Israel does not harm Palis when not attacked does not play well in your propaganda scripts does it? Your islamist buddies you have been intellectualizing and apologizing for half a century DO harm minorities who do not attack them. But we won't see THAT reported by our grotesquely taxoverpaid pseudo reporters scumbags in the BBC.
So, Tim should be Kosher, if Netanyahu sends in his military to knock out a few Palestinians as revenge for Paris Attack?
Mars Shmallow, you must be confusing me with someone who finds an apartheid system somewhere, anywhere in the world, excusable in the 21st century. So let me be clear, I don't.
I'm satisfied that, with your pre-emptive "two wrongs" argument you at least acknowledge that what Israel is doing is wrong. On that I emphatically agree with you. The rest of your argument rests on a Tu Quoque logical fallacy, which itself is founded on a Non Sequitur logical fallacy.
You can argue your logical fallacies all the day long, the only success you'll have is making me more and more disgusted by your sick-minded potty-mouth extreme right-wing vitriol.
E. Smiff 'Baron Rothschild had the power to draw the Americans into the war against Germany and is the clear reason Hitler claimed the Jews had betrayed Germany.'
guess its to late to suggest you don't step off the cliff , but entertain us , how did Baron Rothschild have the power to draw the Americans into the war against Germany ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#Motivation_for_the_Declaration
British Government
James Gelvin, a Middle East history professor, cites at least three reasons for why the British government chose to support Zionist aspirations. Issuing the Balfour Declaration would appeal to Woodrow Wilson's two closest advisors, who were avid Zionists.
"The British did not know quite what to make of President Woodrow Wilson and his conviction (before America's entrance into the war) that the way to end hostilities was for both sides to accept "peace without victory." Two of
Wilson's closest advisors, Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter, were avid Zionists. How better to shore up an uncertain ally than by endorsing Zionist aims? The British adopted similar thinking when it came to the Russians, who were in the midst of their revolution. Several of the most prominent revolutionaries, including Leon Trotsky, were of Jewish descent. Why not see if they could be persuaded to keep Russia in the war by appealing to their latent Jewishness and giving them another reason to continue the fight?" ... These include not only those already mentioned but also Britain's desire to attract Jewish financial resources.[15]
At that time the British were busy making promises. At a War Cabinet meeting, held on 31 October 1917, Balfour suggested that a declaration favourable to Zionist aspirations would allow Great Britain "'to carry on extremely useful propaganda both in Russia and America"[16]
The cabinet believed that expressing support would appeal to Jews in Germany and America, and help the war effort.[17] It was also hoped to encourage support from the large Jewish population in Russia. Britain promoted the idea of a national home for the Jewish People, in the hope that Britain would implement it and exercise political control over Palestine, effectively "freeze out France (and anyone else) from any post–war presence in Palestine."[18] According to James Renton, Senior Lecturer at Edge Hill University, an Honorary Research Fellow at University College London, and author of The Zionist Masquerade: the Birth of the Anglo-Zionist Alliance: 1914–1918 (2007), Prime Minister David Lloyd George of the United Kingdom supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine because "it would help secure post-war British control of Palestine, which was strategically important as a buffer to Egypt and the Suez Canal.".[19] In addition, Palestine was to later serve as a terminus for the flow of petroleum from Iraq via Jordan, three former Ottoman Turkish provinces that became British League of Nations mandates in the aftermath of the First World War. The oil officially flowed along the Mosul-Haifa oil pipeline from 1935–1948, and unofficially up until 1954.
David Lloyd George, who was Prime Minister at the time of the Balfour Declaration, told the Palestine Royal Commission in 1937 that the Declaration was made "due to propagandist reasons".[20] Citing the position of the Allied and Associated Powers in the ongoing war, Lloyd George said that (in the Report's words) "In this critical situation it was believed that Jewish sympathy or the reverse would make a substantial difference one way or the other to the Allied cause. In particular Jewish sympathy would confirm the support of American Jewry, and would make it more difficult for Germany to reduce her military commitments and improve her economic position on the eastern front." Lloyd George then said
The Zionist leaders gave us a definite promise that, if the Allies committed themselves to giving facilities for the establishment of a national home for the Jews in Palestine, they would do their best to rally Jewish sentiment and support throughout the world to the Allied cause. They kept their word.[20]
Regarding the intended future of Palestine, Lloyd George testified:
The idea was, and this was the interpretation put upon it at the time, that a Jewish State was not to be set up immediately by the Peace Treaty without reference to the wishes of the majority of the inhabitants. On the other hand, it was contemplated that when the time arrived for according representative institutions to Palestine, if the Jews had meanwhile responded to the opportunity afforded them by the idea of a national home and had become a definite majority of the inhabitants, then PaIestine would thus become a Jewish Commonwealth.[20]
In his Memoirs, published in 1939, Lloyd George further elucidated his position:[21]
"The Balfour Declaration represented the convinced policy of all parties in our country and also in America, but the launching of it in 1917 was due, as I have said, to propagandist reasons... The Zionist Movement was exceptionally strong in Russia and America... It was believed, also, that such a declaration would have a potent influence upon world Jewry outside Russia, and secure for the Entente the aid of Jewish financial interests. In America, their aid in this respect would have a special value when the Allies had almost exhausted the gold and marketable securities available for American purchases. Such were the chief considerations which, in 1917, impelled the British Government towards making a contract with Jewry."
marchesarosa said
"Post World War II there were millions of displaced persons " and indicated that the Palestinians should just 'move on'
Neither the Jews or Palestinians caused the Second World War .
History records that Hitler and his Nazi party led Germany into the war that resulted in massive loss of life and property.
If any nation should pay for this criminal act surely it should be Germany!
It would be a harsh but justified act to carve out a large area of Germany for a homeland for all displaced persons including Jews.
Nobody has explained why the Palestinians should lose their land .
Perhaps some of the ethnic experts can explain?
Crazy climate change blog this....I think the number 1 wacko of this thread has to be Mars Shmallow by a country mile.
E. Smiff lots of word but no proof that 'Baron Rothschild had the power to draw the Americans into the war against Germany and is the clear reason Hitler claimed the Jews had betrayed Germany.' which is what you claimed.
Between the end of the WW1 and the founding of Israel there was WW2 and six million dead becasue they where Jews. If the 'Zionists' where all powerful has you claim during and after WW1 you think its that would happened before WW2 and meant that some of those six million would not have died. Perhaps the claims of the 'powerful Zionists ' are just BS and very thin cover for those that have an issue with Jews?
DEEBEE given that Netanyahu has see no need to 'sends in his military to knock out a few Palestinians as revenge for ' the many other attacks carried out by Islamic nutters throughout the world including France , why should he this time ?
Meanwhile Israel could kill more people but chooses not to , while Hamas 'wants' to kill more people but fails to , although it keeps trying .
KnR
The quotes from Wikipedia are crystal clear to any rational individual, that the British did a deal with Rothschild, recognised as the leader of world Jewry in order to influence Jews, specifically Americans. Despite the declared opposition and strenuous efforts of President Wilson, America joined the war.
"Nobody has explained why the Palestinians should lose their land"
Bryan, this is irrelevant. There is no rationality in war. People suffer. Millions suffered in Europe after the First and Second World Wars through no fault of their own and had to relocate and build new lives. They did so and now the problem of displaced people in Europe no longer exists.
Only in Palestine do we find refugees still squatting on the fringe of the land from which they were displaced more than sixty years after the event. The reason is misguided subsidy from the UN. It is absurd.
Did you read the stats I provided of the worldwide Palestinian diaspora? Millions of Palestinian put the loss of their homeland behind them and started again elsewhere - which is the NORMAL human reaction to displacement. The rest should do so PDQ if they had any sense. All of those remaining in Gaza have relatives established elsewhere. They should join them and re-start their lives instead of living on handouts, clinging to the rationality of a death cult in a hellhole.
marchesarosa
If Americans love Jews so much, why don't they set up a homeland for them in Nevada ? They seem to love hot climates, despite the majority of them in Israel being very obviously racially Caucasian.
marchesarosa
Shlomo Sand: an enemy of the Jewish people?
'Post-Zionist' Shlomo Sand has outraged many Jews by disputing the ethnic basis of Jewish identity. Rafael Behr meets him in Paris
Sand's hands are depicting how most Jews are descended from converts who never set foot in the Holy Land. That has come as a bit of a surprise to many Jews and as a colossal affront to Zionism, Israel's national ideology. The modern Israeli state was founded on belief in a "Jewish people" as a unified nation, established in biblical times, scattered by Rome, stranded in exile for 2,000 years, then returned to the Promised Land.
But according to Sand there was no exile, and as he seeks to prove by dense forensic archaeological and historical analysis, it is meaningless to talk today about a "people of Israel". At least not if by that you mean the Jews.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/17/shlomo-sand-judaism-israel-jewish
Simon Hopkinson
Of course I do NOT consider Israel doing anything "wrong" by going to war with someone who attacks them.
Only lefty champagne socialist wallies would not defend themselves, but instead look for a "culprit" behind whose back they can hide.
It is not because I bring up the The lefty argument "2 wrongs do not make a right", brought up in this situation all the time as they lack anything more substantial, that I AGREE with such argument..lol..talking about not knowing logic hahaha
We can also discuss the fact their tanks and blinded vehicles killed a rabbit along the road..calll WWF!! have a conference with 10.000 lefty people on discussing the rabbit.
You do not address to the full what I point out to you as the Left attacking Israel being "totally out of proportion" in view of all the other damage in the world , thanks to Obama and his progressive dunces.
Boko haram in Nigeria last week ?
worth 10 Israeli defense actions, for you to be outraged about.
But you won't be outraged about it because yo uknow it would damage the Anointed One. you know, Barry shti-for-president whom the Left parachuted into something he cannot handle.
smiff said "You are depriving a prison cell of a virulent racist."
How would I be doing that smiff? Through not having you imprisoned? :)
Mailman
As a Caucasian myself, it is hardly racist to suggest most Jews in Israel are also Caucasian.
E. Smiff so that fact that Rothschild is not mentioned once in those 'quotes' makes no difference to you , despite your claim being that Rothschild had the power to bring the USA into the war for which you use the 'quotes' has 'proof'
And you still have to explain why if the 'Zionists' where all powerful at the time has you claim it took another world war , six million dead and 40 years for the state of Israel to be formed ?
Has for using Wiki has 'proof now that is funny given its totally worthless state when it comes to climate change.
Guess it really is a very high cliff you fallen off there.
KnR
The Wall Street Crash changed the world dramatically.
Here is a piece of American history you may not be aware of.
The Whitehouse Coup - BBC
Document uncovers details of a planned (fascist) coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
Coincidentally
Hitler was appointed Chancellor on the advice of big business On January 30, 1933.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Appointment_as_chancellor
Nazis abandon socialism, murder socialist members, 1934.
The Night of the Long Knives was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany, 1934, when the Nazi regime carried out a series of political murders. Leading figures of the left-wing Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, along with its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were murdered, as were prominent conservative anti-Nazis. Many of those killed were (socialist) leaders of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the paramilitary brownshirts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
'The Wall Street Crash changed the world dramatically.' so is your claim now is that Rothschild caused the wall street crash ?
Amazing , have you any 'proof' of this and can you has yet give a reason why despite the 'all powerful Zionists' at the time of first world war , as you like to claim they where , it took 40 years , 6 million dead and another world war before the state of Israel was founded .
I think perhaps you should stop regarding stormfront has good guide to history along with Wiki begin a guide to anything.
KnR
Which part of the word 'rational ' is your brain having issues with ? You don't know. Fine.
Mailman
"Of course you omit WHO Jerusalem was captured from".
How far do you want to go back, the exodus perhaps or just to the occupied Palestinian Territories?
E. Smiff which part of prove your claim do you have problems with, your claim was ''Baron Rothschild had the power to draw the Americans into the war against Germany '
So far you offered nothing but selected quotes form the Wiki that don't even mention Baron Rothschild. You can't even offer model based 'proof ' of this claim. Instead your now trying to claim what, that Baron Rothschild caused the wall street crash , which occurred after WW1 , and that somehow caused Hitler to blame the Jews for Germany losing WW1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry although I know that with climate 'science' making such rubbish, fact free claims is not only acceptable but rewarded , outside of that area such an approach is consider at best a joke.
Did you know that Moses was married to a camel, who happened to be his own mother ? God punished him for spitting on a Thursday. It's in Wikipedia.
Jehova, god of the Jews murdered more people than all the Mormons who have ever lived combined and that's just the ones in the bible. The Mormons are never wrong about stuff like that. They write everything down. They invented Wikipedia.
Martyn,
Just 1948 will do.
Mailman
This thread has really gone to the dogs. I never thought I'd read such nutty conspiracist tripe on this site (E.Smiff, I'm looking at you). And it's completely O/T as well.
Might be best if we all call it a day, before he starts quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Some good observations in this post but remember poor Tim is himself a victim. He left his wife and family for a BBC Sophie in 2012 only for her to dump him for an action man in 2014. No wonder he can't think of a proper, reasonable, compassionate question to ask!