Sheep or shepherd?

I had an interesting exchange with Marshall Shepherd, President of the American Meteorological Society today. Marshall had tweeted as follows:

Marshall: learned n strange emails/blogs some disagree with my #Tedx Talk, @MichaelEMann HockeyStick discredited (hasn't), & wx varies-gee "who knew"

In my usual polite way, I responded as follows:

Me: I attended a debate with a paleoclimate guy a few months ago. In q&a he was asked about hockey stick. He said "it's broken".

To which Marshall's response was this:

Marshall: @aDissentient why don't you ask @MichaelEMann

Marshall: @aDissentient and fyi, I generally don't debate anything that isn't published in the peer-review lit, best regards

Hardly a meeting of minds but it was all going rather well. Unfortunately at this point Mann himself joined in:

MichaelEMann @DrShepherd2013 Marshall, I don't engage disinformation-spewing trolls. It just encourages them...

Moments later, Shepherd blocked me.

Hmm.

Comments

[Leon0112]

Z - I confess to being confused by your statement of overwhelming evidence of man made climate change through the production of carbon dioxide. The climate has been changing for millions of years, so at least some climate change can happen naturally, but Mann and others have insisted that recent climate change has been due to man made production of CO2.

As a result, fifteen years all of the GCM developed for the IPCC predicted that if mankind continued to generate CO2 at high levels, then we would all be burning up by now.

Well, most countries have increased their output of CO2, but the average global temperature has not gone up. It seems to me that these projections that manmade CO2 production would necessarily cause AGW have proven to be wrong.

Indeed, CO2 levels have reached the tipping point level of 400 ppm. And the world is not spiraling out of control. Perhaps you could explain how we have survived 400 ppm levels of CO2 without the end of the world. Perhaps you could explain how these pieces of evidence are overwhelming in favor of AGW.

[SandyS]

Is the climate actually changing over a reasonable amount of time, rather than 50 years?

Q1 Has it been warmer in the past?
A Yes

Q2 Has it been colder in the past?
A Yes

Q3 Has the rate of warming been greater in the past
A Yes

Q4 Has the rate of cooling been greater in the past?
A Yes

Q5 Have sea levels been higher in the past?
A Yes

Q6 Have sea levels been lower in the past?
A Yes

Q7 Has there been more CO2 in the atmosphere in the past?
A Yes

Q8 Has there been less CO2 in the atmosphere in the past?
A Yes

Q9 Has the Arctic been warmer in the past?
A Yes

Q10 Has the Arctic been colder in the past?
A Yes

Q11 Has the Antarctic been warmer in the past?
A Yes

Q12 Has the Antarctic been colder in the past?
A Yes

Q13 Has CO2 got anything to do with it?
A Most likely nothing, but there is always a remote possibility.

Q14 Has the human race always been this easy to fool
A Yes.

Q15 So what has actually changed?
A Nothing

[Swiss Bob]

Yeo's toast!

[mangochutney]

There has come into fashion a strange and easy manner of suppressing the revelations of history, of invalidating the commentaries of philosophy, of eliding all embarrassing facts and gloomy questions. A matter for declamations, say the clever. Declamations repeat the foolish. Jean-Jacques a declaimer, Voltaire on Calas, Labarre and Sirven, declaimers...

Facts, however, are awkward thongs to disconcert, and they are obstinate.

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There is, as we know, a philosophy which denies the infinite. There is also a philosophy, pathologically classified, which denies the sun; this philosophy is called blindness.

Victor Hugo, Les Misérables, 1862

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même

[confused]

Let me lower the tone a little...michael mann ...sheep shafter :-)

[MichaelL]

Just what sort of "professor" is Shepherd? His ressemblance in "every which way" to a well known former law "professor" is uncanny. What is his speciality? What sort of grades did he really get? He comes over as a brain-dead charlatan to me. Mind you what is climate "science" merit? I think the Bishop should feel honoured, particularly as his lock out required the phoney Mannian heavy artillery.

[Jack Hughes]

Yeo really is toast as Swiss Bob hinted...

THE Tory MP in charge of scrutinising new energy laws has been caught boasting
about how he can use his leadership of a powerful Commons committee to push
his private business interests.

Tim Yeo told undercover reporters — posing as representatives of a firm
offering to hire him — that he was close to “really all the key players in
the UK in government” and could introduce them to “almost everyone you
needed to get hold of in this country”.

He said he could not speak out for them publicly in the Commons because
“people will say he’s saying this because of his commercial interest”. But
he assured them: “What I say to people in private is another matter
altogether.”

Yeo, chairman of the energy and climate change committee, was approached by
reporters claiming to represent a green energy company.

H/T to Guido

[Radical Rodent]

Interesting to note that Lovelock refers to the ozone threat as a scam; that backs up my own recently expressed hypothesis a few stories back (Decarbonisation amendment defeated).

Stephen Richards, like your… ahem, “typo”.

[KnR]

Shepherd has shown themselves to be a 'small man ' in so many ways

[Radical Rodent]

SandyS:

A brilliant summation of the entire scam!

Jack:

I take a certain umbrage at the supposition of a black person being politically affiliated to the left – take a look at the wisdom of Thomas Sowell and Morgan Freeman to see the flaws in that argument. It would be interesting to see the proportion of ALL tenured professors who are left-wing, though.

I am presently browsing David Appell’s site; I am not alone in adding my tuppence-worth, and all credit to Mr Appell, he is not blocking dissenters. The only trouble is, it feels a bit like a fair-ground duck-shoot, though the analogy fails when, even with the sights adjusted and the barrels bent, you hit a duck, the carny does not say, “Sorry, wrong duck!”

[peterwalsh]

Jun 9, 2013 at 7:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Succint!

[Fraudulent Climate]

This is a total Fraudulent Climate of Hokum Science

"They don't know what the aerosols are showing"
says James Lovelock

I'm not sure if he spelled that correctly.

Maybe it should be "Ah Soles", or something else ...