Bishop Hill Muller still not impressed by Climategate
Aug 4, 2012 Climate: CRU Climate: Mann Richard Muller, who has been in much demand in recent days, because of his alleged conversion to the global warming mainstream, is going to get a whole lot more attention after his latest comments on Climategate (H/T Tom Nelson). Muller's comments come from an interview at the Brad Blog, reported here.
But the interview's friendly climate changed and really began to heat up when I asked Muller if his findings finally put to rest the far Right's claim that the cockamamie (and debunked-many times-over) "Climategate" affair "proved" that climate scientists linked to the pseudo-scandal were fudging their global warming data.
Incredibly, Muller asserted that "Climategate" was not a settled issue, and that the scientists involved were found to have "hidden" data. (He also asserted, without evidence to support it, that the "controversial" e-mails at the center of the pseudo-scandal were intentionally "leaked by a member of the team," rather than hacked. He claims that "most people" believe that to be the case, though he was unable or unwilling to back up that element of his charge either.) I pointed out that eight different investigations all found that no data manipulation took place; he asserted that temperature data had been "hidden", not manipulated. When I asked if "hiding" data was not a form of manipulation, he gave a muddled non-answer (though he made sure to get in some particularly nasty, and seemingly personal, shots at acclaimed Penn State climate scientist Michael Mann).
Rosenberg then addressed America's recently-shattered temperature records, wildfires and unrelenting drought, asking Muller if there was a clear link between these extreme weather events and climate change; Muller, again, curiously downplayed any connection, ultimately suggesting that the drought wasn't that much different from the 1930s Dust Bowl.
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Even as Muller's own scientific findings continue to come closer and closer to Mann's long-standing and well-documented assertions, there is clearly no love lost between the two men, as evidenced by the shots Muller took at Mann during our interview.
In addition, as Tom Nelson notes, there is this comment about the CRU scientists:
What they did was, I think shameful, and it was scientific malpractice. If they were licensed scientists, they should have to lose their license. What they did is they held back the discordant data...if they had done this at Berkeley or Stanford, I think, they would have been shamed. The standards that they have over there at the University of East Anglia are just not up to what we consider standard scientific methods. When you withhold data that is discordant, and they refused to release it until it came out in this leak...<
Reader Comments (55)
But Jimmy, it's obvious! We have a substance called C4wardium, absorbed by the Oceans as warming takes place which sequestrates CO2, an endothermic reaction. Only when C4wardium concentration exceeds a critical value does CO2 desequestrate and move out of the ocean.
So, all we have to do is to look for the traces of C4wardium and the whole mystery will be proved! In the past, C4wardium .was called Phlogiston but the idea fell into disrepute when it couldn't be proved that it had negative mass.
However, the recent development by Hansen and colleagues at GISS of the chemical ecnalab is expected to prove this point any day.
sparticus - centripetal is towards the centre, centrifugal is away from the centre.
What is curious here is that Muller does not understand Climategate. The big deal about CG1 was the "hide the decline" which was not data hiding but the hiding of unfavourable results. It was also about the clear subverting of the review process for papers and the internal admissions that the science was less strong than the public statements.
Sure at the same time there were requests for temperature data, but that all came out later.
UH!!!
I rather think Prof Muller completely understood Hide the decline..
see here:
http://www.realclimategate.org/2011/02/hide-the-decline-2-pictures-for-2000-comments/
he decribes it very clearly in the video here, which got him his notoriety:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbR0EPWgkEI&feature=player_embedded#t=1801s
Climatefellas III - the writing on the wall.
Scene - The basement at Big Jim's
Jim
I've called youse all here today 'cos our climate protection business is facing the biggest threat since the punters saw those friggin' emails.
This Muller guy 'n his BEST crew 'r crawling all over us - muscling in on the racket and making us look like maroons.
We gotta do something.
Eric
It's really tough times out there boss, Muller & his team are putting it about that they're the new boys in town and the punters are lapping it up.
Jim
OK - so we gotta do what we always do - blow 'em away. What's da big problem.
Raypierre
It's not that easy Jim - people are listening' to their story and it's kind've of new & fresh and they like what they hear also they seem to have the meeja on their side.
Jim
Meeja fer Chrissake! - just fix them like we always do - speak to Revkin, Borenstein, Black at the BBC and that other limey dimwit at the pantywaist green rag…….
Eric
It's called The Guardian Jim - but Muller's not just talking to our guys - he's going over their heads and talking straight to the broadsheet editors & national networks.
Anyway it may not be such a problem - he tells everybody he's on our side.
Jim
On our side, on our side! They say he's letting the punters look at his DATA!
When you guys got made up in da racket - waddid we do?
We mingled our blood and made a promise - only team members get to see THE DATA!
Raypierre
Calm down Jim. It's under control - all our media guys are explaining Muller's joined our racket and he pretty well well agrees with everything we're doin'………….. except mebbee Katrina…….
Jim
Whaddaya mean "except mebbee Katrina"………
Raypierre
Well he says it was only a cat 3 and probably nothing to do with the climate racket……..
Jim
NUTTIN TO DO WITH CLIMATE! Hurricanes are our best fear factor - they terrify the punters how can we keep 'em scared without hurricanes?
Eric
Well, the punters don't scare as easily as they used to Jim - but don't worry, Muller backs us on pretty well everything else.
'Cept mebbee those emails.
Jim
Whaddabout the emails?
Eric
Weeeellll - he says they were probably an inside job by the CRU crew.
Jim
An inside job! Whaddaya mean an inside job - we told the punters they were a criminal heist by the Big Oil mob - that's our pitch and he's screwing it.
OK - I've heard enough - Muller's gotta be terminated. I'll send Mad Mike & his bagman Scotty the Strangler down there 'n they'll waste him.
Raypierre
Errr - we already tried that boss - there was a …kind of a … malfunction. Something happened as they were getting their hardware out've the trunk and they both got shot in the foot.
Came back in wheelchairs.
But I don't think you should upset yourself as long as Muller's basically on our side.
'Cept maybe on weather extremes………..
Jim
WHAT…..ABOUT……WEATHER….EXTREMES!
Eric
Well, calm down boss, don't let it eat you up - but Muller says this years weather is cooler over 98% of the globe and the extreme weather here's just normal variation.
Jim
NORMAL VARIATION fer Chrissake! Who's gonna give us $7BN a year to study NORMAL FRIGGIN' VARIATION!
That's it Muller's gotta go - Gav & I will fly down to Berkeley tonite and fix him.
Gav's the only one of you eejits I still trust.
Gavin
Yeeess - Jim. Of course you know I'm your strongest and most loyal supporter here and couldn't agree more with your assessment of the situation - but, bearing in mind that my key role here has always been on the more strategic and advisory side I think…………
Jim
You're a chicken hearted, meally mouthed limey pussy, Gav!
The rest of you are just as bad - there isn't a soldier among you bunch of lilly livered girl scouts! - book me a ticket 'n I'll fly down there & do the job myself.
Wahhduwe know about this guy Muller……… does he have a favourite horse……. dog………gerbil……………..?
Jim leaves for the airport and the others look at each other nervously for a while - before Gavin breaks the silence.
Gavin
Well, as I said before and I'm sure you all agree, I've always been Big Jim's main adviser and strongest supporter during the long years when he's been building up the business.Years which have no doubt put an enormous strain on Jim as he went out there on his own, way ahead of the field and stuck his neck out pioneering the more controversial aspects of our enterprise. While Jim's away doing the business in his..err..traditional, old fashioned way, I wonder if we shouldn't take this opportunity to review some of our long term strategic objectives.
The other guys look at each other, hesitantly at first, and then nod - knowingly.