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Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill Norfolk Vice
Dec 15, 2011 Climate: CRU Climate: other Suddenly, as if by magic, Norfolk Constabulary, asleep atop their haystacks, have been transformed into something out of Miami Vice. Tallbloke reports:
An Englishman’s home is his castle they say. Not when six detectives from the Metropolitan Police, the Norfolk Constabulary and the Computer Crime division arrive on your doorstep with a warrant to search it though.
I waved the first three in and bid them head through to the sitting room, where there was less of an chill near the woodburner. Then they kept coming, being introduced by the lead detective from Norfolk as they trooped in. I thought I’d been chosen to host the secret policemen’s ball or something.
Reader Comments (160)
Anyone who keeps Sun Sparcstations in the attic must have done something really bad. No wonder tallbloke came under suspicion.
I wonder if MI6, MI5 and MFI were involved, you need substantial shelving to store that many Sparcstations.
@ Terry S
Actually it does. That is why there is a public interest defence.
Indeed, and under UK employment law the whistleblower has a complete defence available:
in making a disclosure the worker must have reasonable belief that the information disclosed tends to show one or more of the offences or breaches listed above ('a relevant failure'). The belief need not be correct - it might be discovered subsequently that the worker was in fact wrong - but the worker must show that he held the belief, and that it was a reasonable belief in the circumstances at the time of disclosure.
http://www.roydens.co.uk/content40.htm
Same as libel, actually - if you say something rude about someone, and it turns out to be untrue, you aren't necessarily guilty of libel. If you can show that you had put a construction on the facts that a reasonable person might have agreed with, then you have a defence even if your construction was mistaken.
So once again we have a fact-free post from the Useful Idiot of Truro. This is what we must expect from someone who knows nothing and whose contribution is to insist shrilly that we all bow down before the wisdom of the likes of Michael Mann and Phil Jones.
It does rather suggest that the other emails contain some stuff the ecofascists want kept quiet.
My money would be on there being further emails in there from "scientists" to ecofascist organisations in which they explicitly offer to fiddle the "science" and lie to order, and are seen getting paid for doing so. Or there may be emails from politicians in which they ask for bigger and bigger lies with the imprimatur of spurious science on them, because they need some really, really, huge porkies to deploy in justification of the most colossal tax grab since satellite records began (blimey, climate psyentist hyperbole - they've got me doing it now...)
The former seems likelier, because Cameron's lot weren't in power in 2009 and prior and thus he has no incentive to shelter any politicians now in office. But since he's just as signed up to the tax grab, if not the whole ecofascist anti-civilisation anti-humanity agenda, probably he'd like this stuff swept under the mat just as much as, say, Ed Miliband would.
Well at least our old friend dana1981 who has commented here on behalf of SkepticalScience has it all worked out -
It makes you wonder that FOIA may have stumbled across something really big and important in the remaining encrypted emails. Something that the US and UK authorities know about and now want to supress. Perhaps busting Tallbloke is an attempt to flush out FOIA before any more damage is done.
CG3 could well be a blockbuster.
GrantB
Well there is no way government agents would bust SkS in the search for factual evidence.
No, I am beginning to think that CG3 has the potential to be a blockbuster. People are getting nervous.
A real FOIA to see any emails regarding this raid? Could be fun!
Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 AM |Justice4Rinka
Go to the 7th post on the first page and click the link! ;-)
i would request someone in the US inform the following people and provide them with the relevant threads on WUWT, ClimateAudit, Bish etc, as "A Matter of Some Concern". remember after Climategate 1, we only know of sceptics being contacted by the Norfolk Police, because they publicly admitted to the contacts. don't let this pass without getting the information to as many people of influence as possible:
James Inhofe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe
Ralph Hall (see previous link from Science Mag) in this thread)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Hall
Chris Horner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_C._Horner
no doubt others can come up with useful suggestions for UK people who should be contacted
How does this sort of thing work? We have two computers in the house but neither is actually mine. Does that mean "How many computers do you have in the house?" could reasonably be answered "none"?
I suppose the best answer might be "Let me consult my lawyer."
Tempting fate?
http://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/the-chosen-few-climategate-2-0/#more-2702
"The rozzers haven’t been along to feel my collar yet, this time round. I got interviewd in early 2010."
I suppose now that creates a bigger chasm between them and us. Very little chance of building bridges.
What did Richard Betts have to say about his side having the bigger guns?
Well over that past 48 hours we have witnessed;
Locking down any public communications over the IPCC AR5 authoring process.
Coming down on dissenting views being expressed on blogs.
"Seriously, what were the police thinking, nearly a MONTH after the leak.. rapid response squad, on the job....."
I think this is flattery - aren't they still on C1?
The border collie just barked. Fortunately it was only a koala disturbing her but I'm feeling very nervous following Tallbloke's experience. I felt I has to state my case yet again and so have just emailed this off -
One can't be too careful.
Ministers and Whitehall officials have been warned not to try to hide sensitive government information by using private emails and text messages.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16197167
Now that Tallbloke is in the clink, this would be the time for FOIA to open up CG3.
Get Tallbloke off the hook...!
Show the plods up for what they really are.
Before people rush off in the land into the land of tinfoil conspiracy over Tallboy , lets remember the present UK government was not in power during the period the leaked e-mails cover and that there may be good reasons to think the current government would have no issue with the last one having embarrassing information made public.
Norfolk plod must be working from the 'Detectives book of he who smelt it dealt it'
Does anyone else have the impression that the police involved in this haven't got the foggiest idea what they are doing?
Given the seriousness of the alleged crime, the response is pretty disappointing. At a minimum I would have expected round-the-clock surveillance followed by coordinated raids on both sides of the Atlantic
Mac Dec 15, 2011 at 11:27 AM
No - that was wotisname - the retired UEA senior lecturer who thought it was wrong to demonise Acton because on several occasions Acton had addressed him kindly.
Found it! Alan Kendall UEA geologist
Mac said:
Imo it is that the Police believe FOIA has commited and indictable offence and that they also believe (rightly or wrongly) some evidence relating to it may be on Tallbloke's computer.
I do not believe it to be an intentional move to restrict future correspondence from FOIA but it may make them think twice about where they post.
KnR Dec 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Don't be daft. They are fully signed up to climate change legislation, wind farms, the lot.
They most certainly don't want the house of cards to come tumbling down.
@KnR
'...lets remember the present UK government was not in power during the period the leaked e-mails cover and that there may be good reasons to think the current government would have no issue with the last one having embarrassing information made public'.
You forget that Huhne is (temporarily at least) a member of the Cabinet. Given his fanatical devotion to reducing carbon emissions at any expense (especially ours), he would not want any further hints of doubt about his correctness to be made public.
But doubts about his sanity and disconnection from reality have long been there. His recent difficulties with Essex fuzz and the speeding offence have clearly unsettled him further. Perhaps he feels that he can somehow gain brownie points with the plod by sending them a on a nice easy jolly to raid a partially disabled man's home.
And on a related point. How much rioting could 6 coppers have stopped if they had been n the right place at the right time...'intelligence-led' policing?
The UEA is controlled by Common Purpose and the CRU was set up in 1990 on Marxist post-normal science principles. It has been used by government to pave the way for the de facto coup d'etat of the UK by the EU via the imposition of the windmills. The carbon offsets from these will provide a major part of the income of the unelected EU state.
It is not surprising to me that a NewsCorp employee, Neil Wallis, who may have brought down honest cop Sir Paul Stephenson, did the PR for CRU in the Climategate enquiries. The Murdochs who have substantial interests in green projects, controlled the last and possibly the present government.
So, by possibly having 'the key', TB was very dangerous to major Corporations, Government and the Mafia.
Re: Gareth
I can understand that. What I fail to understand is why they took his ADSL router.
They only reason I can see for this is to inconvenience him and delay him disseminating the news that he had been raided.
Has anyone tweeted Leo Hickman (who covered CGII and mentioned the tall one) to tell him what happened?
A week or so ago there was a long discussion on WUWT about the possible identity of FOIA. I posted a comment questioning whether this was a good thing to be speculating about.
Anthony Watts then said
I have no idea where his "information" came from but it seems certain to have been misinformation aimed at keeping the helpful flow of ideas coming.
They're looking for you, Deadhead, you are suspected of commenting offences here and elsewhere, with madness and mischief aforethought. I'd lay low for a bit, if I were you, there are now sufficient red marks against you to send you down for a fair old stretch...
If Tallbloke is not the suspect then who is and do Plod know who that might be?
If they know or suspect then gathering further evidence from bloggers like Tallbloke may confirm their suspicions.
@ KnR
I thought of that, except that the current government is implementing the last government's deranged "environmental" policies lock stock and barrel. It is thus just as keen as the last government was on collecting the tax, and hence just as reliant on the same corrupt intellectual case.
One individual politician who would be damaged by any such emails, if they exist, would be Ed Miliband. He'd certainly look foolish if it emerged that, say, climate psyentists had received Greenpeace lucre in return for authoritative-sounding lies. Greenpeace then used these to gull Miliband into adopting Greenpeace's environmental policy, renamed the Climate Change Act and whipped through Parliament on the basis of nonsense, conjecture and anti-science.
Even if such an email chain exists, and it seems distinctly possible to me, Cameron may however calculate that he doesn't need this. He doesn't need CG3 to discredit the fool Miliband because he expects to defeat him anyway.
If climategate 2.0 was really a bore and really had nothing to see they would not be doing this sort of raid/intimidation.
We really need top stand now, because there are precious few bloggers in reality. This could easily and sadly turn into an example of, "first they came for so-and-so, but we did not like him so we said nothing" that always ends with, "and when they came for me, no one was left to protest."
In the US everyone is so distracted by the incredibly misleading reporting that turns the occupy movement into a heroic effort few will care that the US is helping to intimidate and interfere with bloggers.
If anyone, btw, is visited like this, if and when you get your equipment back assume it is tapped or compromised and treat the returned equipment accordingly.
The climatocracy is acting spooked. Yet we are told climategate 2.0 is too boring to bother even reporting. This is what I would call evidence to the contrary.
Roll on climategate 3 ,
If he'd called himself Shortbloke I wonder if only three officers would have turned up?
"he tells me that he is not a suspect, and that they’ll clone his hard drives"
Isn't that a non-sequitur? Why clone his drives if he's not a suspect - is that even allowed?
Note to self - get battered old Sparcstation box to build next high-spec PC into...
I've always wondered how many police officers it takes to confiscate a laptop.
Police break into a private citizens house, take his personal computers, clone his harddrive with all personal information in it, but tell him he is not a suspect, yet the unelected "rule the world" publicly funded IPCC build a list of what they will, or will not, release to the public for FOI demands.
I want to know why these Norfolk Police who have a copy of the UEA email server and as such must have access to the 200,000 unreleased emails are not looking through them to find out what crimes The Team have been up to. It was the security team brought in to apply all the black marker ink on the MP's expenses that spilled the beans as they were disgusted at what they saw so, why not Norfolks Best /Sarc off.
"Before people rush off in the land into the land of tinfoil conspiracy over Tallboy , lets remember the present UK government was not in power during the period the leaked e-mails cover and that there may be good reasons to think the current government would have no issue with the last one having embarrassing information made public."
Since when have the UK government of the day had any control over policy? Especially important stuff?
Police Priorities
The Norfolk rozzers
—a half a dozen of them!—
take stuff from Tallbloke.
Seriously, they
need six cops to hound a
sceptic? What a joke.
Sex slavery and
similar crimes increase, but
they search blogging folks.
Other malefactors
ignored are those who push the
global warming hoax.
The wallopers have
no clue anent images
their conduct evokes.
"Simon Taylor Norfolk Deputy Chief Constable member of Norfolk County Common Purpose Advisory Group"
Well well well
I think the police are being breathed on to do something and they are finding someone to breath on.
Why at this precise time, I have no idea.
This is the establishment, bitten by a mosquito, behaving like a mindless brute, thrashing round the room with a stick and risking doing far more damage in the process.
Help me out guys! I go for a lunch time relax and come home to see.......
Now that Tallbloke is in the clink, this would be the time for FOIA to open up CG3.
Get Tallbloke off the hook...!
Show the plods up for what they really are.
Dec 15, 2011 at 11:44 AM |Peter Walsh
Hey Roger! are you in the pub or the nick?
The clue is here:
"I waved the first three in and bid them head through to the sitting room, where there was less of a chill near the woodburner."
That's at least two crimes against humanity. 1) keeping warm on a cold night, and 2) generating CO2 pollution. Sorry Tallbloke, they've got you banged to rights, and that adds up to a long stretch of hard labour. Let's hope they don't find you had the electricity turned on too.
With the intention of sparing Tallbloke any more hassle, I've decided it's time that I announced who FOIA is.
What was that, dear?
Sorry chaps, I'll be back in a mo' with the news.
Sorry about the interruption. There was someone at the door, but my wife told 'em to bugger off.
Anyway, it's my view that FOIA should be arrested, charged, tried, convicted and hanged. Be that as it may, his identtity is
Oh what is it now, dear? They say they've got a warrant? Hang on then.
Hold on, chaps.
Mac
This is absurd, paranoid nonsense. Stop winding people up, it's irresponsible.
There was a spelling mistake on the warrant so they've retreated with their tails between their legs.
Now, where was I? Ah yes, whodunnit? Who deserves arrest, hanging etc?
Right then. My evidence is lengthy and conclusive. It was Tony Blair.
This is interesting, but I hope some of you realize that you ARE feeding the paranoid image that tools such as dana1981 desperately want to create.
Mac
The skeptics are about to meet the full force of the law. That means police raids. That means confiscation of PCs, laptops, smart phones, documents, etc. That means arrests. That means cautions. You have been warned.
This is absurd, paranoid nonsense. Stop winding people up, it's irresponsible.
Dec 15, 2011 at 4:03 PM | BBD
Mac, Scared they will actually start with the source and "Cause"? The law is a two way street unless your name is Huhne, Jones, Mann etc!
Strange how they can force their way into a blogger's house, a guy with no previous but, when people use due process such as the FOIA they are blocked in every form including deleting emails and then using the "Oops, we just sneaked by with the fact that we got by the statue of legislation limit!"
Mac, I ask you, if the debate was reversed and you had just had you privacy invaded ...what would your retort be? Imagine the force has just arrived at...Hegist or Zeds place, god forgive them even turning up at the Guardian or BBC?
BBD, without any bias, good comment from you!
I must say, I don't think there's anything much to get excited about here. The police think they have a new lead in terms of tracing the new links to the CG2 emails. I don't suppose they will find anything, after which they will return to their haystacks and go back to sleep.