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Agree but in this case the alarmism also pointed out some infrastructure issues which may well be real and should perhaps be planned for; as well as all the usual stuff associated with thawing permafrost. The lack of AGW/C/CW was interesting as even a year ago that article would have had the usual stuff about mankind causing the problem.

Although here in Limousin it's doing an impression of permafrost at the moment :-)


Feb 23, 2013 at 7:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Prospect magazine has a round table discussion between Ed Davey and scientists on the futureof UK energy

David King, the former chief scientific adviser to the government .. suggested that the maintenance of low energy prices could prove counterproductive for climate change targets as this encouraged consumption. “If we are looking at energy costs,” said King, “there is an argument for pushing energy costs up to drive better behaviour through the system....A more dirigiste approach is required here.”

Feb 23, 2013 at 6:15 AM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

I think it was fairly alarmist Sandy, it was going on about the escape of gases due to permafrost melting up to 1.5 degrees. They didn't attribute the warming to anything, but I think that's because it's a given that it's CO2/AGW that they don't even have to say it any more, rather than any balance.

Feb 22, 2013 at 9:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Thanks for link, interesting a BBC story about warming and being as warm as today without,as far as I could see, a mention of green house gases and climate change. This on the Science & Environment section too. Soe writer for the high jump at the BBC?

Feb 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

A few months ago Jiminy Cricket asked for ideas on a possible proxy he could use in a work of fiction. I suggested frozen stalactites from glaciers.. lo and behold.....

From the BBC:

Siberian permafrost thaw warning sparked by cave data

The evidence comes from analysis of stalactites and stalagmites in caves along the "permafrost frontier".This is where ground begins to be permanently frozen in layers that can be tens to hundreds of metres thick.

Stalactites and stalagmites only grow when liquid rainwater and snowmelt drip into the caves. So these formations record 500,000 years of changing permafrost conditions - including warmer periods similar to the climate of today."

Of course, when they do it WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

Feb 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames


Definition of 'construct' - a physical thing which is deliberately built or formed

"constructed to depict" isn't language I'd ever use to describe a graph displaying valid data. Is this a confession of some sort?

Feb 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM | Registered Commenterflaxdoctor

Michael Mann reduced to flogging his hockey stick at a sociology symposium at Oklahoma State University... I guess they paid him a lot of money??

Dr. Michael E. Mann Public Lecture - Sociology Symposium

Friday, February 22, 2013
3:30pm until 4:30pm in CST

Alumni Hall, Conoco-Phillips OSU Alumni Center
(near the OSU Student Union Building-which has paid parking and is located on the Southeast corner of campus)

A central figure in the controversy over human-caused climate change has been “The Hockey Stick,” a simple, easy-to-understand graph constructed to depict changes in Earth’s temperature back to 1000 AD. The graph was featured in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and it quickly became an icon in the debate over human-caused (“anthropogenic”) climate change. Dr. Mann will tell the story behind the Hockey Stick, using it as a vehicle for exploring broader issues regarding the role of skepticism in science, the uneasy relationship between science and politics, and the dangers that arise when special economic interests and those who do their bidding attempt to skew the discourse over policy-relevant areas of science.

Feb 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

Via the GWPF

"Warning bills could hit £3,500 a year because of windfarm costs"

I was struck by this from Scotland's energy minister:

"Energy minister Fergus Ewing said in a later debate yesterday that where the Scottish Government is the decision-taker on renewables applications, it would only approve “the right developments in the right places”.

He said he was encouraged by ways the planning system can help deliver the Government’s target to generate the equivalent of 100% of Scotland’s electricity demands using renewables by 2020.

Meanwhile, he said the SNP administration had provided £673,000 to help planning authorities process turbine applications.

Planning policy must continue to support a diverse range of renewable energy technologies, guiding development to appropriate locations,” he said.

“Our review of the national planning framework on Scottish planning policy will reinforce and clarify policy on the areas we expect to protected from significant development.”

Mr Ewing said: “Scotland’s renewables output, especially offshore wind, can play a vital role in helping to keep the lights on across the UK given that recent Ofgem figures showing that the UK’s electricity capacity margin could drop from 14% to under 5% by 2015/16.”

I'm glad Scotland has a plan for when 100% of electicity comes from renewables. I hope it's a Very Cunning Plan. I wonder how the plans will translate into action.

Feb 22, 2013 at 12:16 PM | Registered CommenterHector Pascal


"Just a quick reminder of what they said about cold winters . ." .

Amongst a number of quotes listed:-

Former head of the Met Office Sir John Houghton, who is one of the UK’s leading authorities on climate change, said all the indicators suggest snowy winters will become increasingly rare

He said, “Snowlines are going up in altitude all over the world. The idea that we will get less snow is absolutely in line with what we expect from global warming.”

Feb 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand

Coincidentally I drove past a group of 5 or 6 big turbines last week in France and was intrigued to note that, on a windless day, they were pointing in random directions and 4 were turning gently.

It would be interesting to find out how windfarms are metered in the UK. Hopefully their ouput is measured at the grid connection and incoming power is also recorded? That would make visible their NET output over, say, a year which should be the final basis for payment and for assessing performance. On a running basis they should be paid for output and charged for input - at the same rates.
Does anyone know what actually happens?

Feb 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM | Registered Commentermikeh

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