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It's actually quite heartening in a way - one of my frustrations with this whole thing is : how can I believe scientists who stand behind Mann's obviously very flaky work? Let's face it - Mann is the root of all this, with MBH98 and MBH99

And the answer appears to be - a lot of them think it's tosh too - but for career/ political / rank-closing / right-side reasons, they chose not to make that view public. But at least they are just being biased, and not stupid.

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Some of my favourite (unverified) quotations:

Jones:

Getting people we know and trust [into IPCC] is vital – hence my comment about the tornadoes group.

Jones:

Useful ones [for IPCC] might be Baldwin, Benestad (written on the solar/cloud issue – on the right side, i.e anti-Svensmark), Bohm, Brown, Christy

Humphrey/DEFRA:

I can’t overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a message that the Government can give on climate change to help them tell their story. They want the story to be a very strong one and don’t want to be made to look foolish.

Jones:

We don’t really want the bullshit and optimistic stuff that Michael has written [...] We’ll have to cut out some of his stuff.

Wils:

What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably [...]

Crowley:

I am not convinced that the “truth” is always worth reaching if it is at the cost of damaged personal relationships

Wilson:

I thought I’d play around with some randomly generated time-series and see if I could ‘reconstruct’ northern hemisphere temperatures. [...] The reconstructions clearly show a ‘hockey-stick’ trend. I guess this is precisely the phenomenon that Macintyre has been going on about.

Bradley:

I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year “reconstruction”.

Cook:

I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly cannot be defended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the science move ahead.

Barnett:

[IPCC AR5 models] clearly, some tuning or very good luck involved. I doubt the modeling world will be able to get away with this much longer

Jones:

Basic problem is that all models are wrong – not got enough middle and low level clouds.

Jones:

I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process

[ Popcorn has just sold out ]

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

Check out Tallblokes place, he has posted the README contents:-

http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/breaking-news-foia-2011-has-arrived/#more-3471

Going to be an interesting few days, buy popcorn, sit back and wait!

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

Further comments at CA re FOIA2011:-

Lucy Skywalker:

"Checked for viruses, malware, comes out clean.

It looks as if another miracle has happened"

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Tallbloke:-

"Yep, I scanned it too. Clean as far as I can see. It’s the real deal! :)"
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Now we wait and find out what is in there!

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

Lucy Skywalker in a comment on CA has looked at it and her view is "Look like another miracle has happened!" So - there may be interesting times ahead ...

I wonder whether this is a release from the servers under the control of the Norfolk Constabulary? I do hope the Norfolk Constabulary are on top of this. It would be very embarrasing if they weren't...

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

FOIA2011?

The following has been posted at Climate Audit:-

http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/16/anderson-cooper-on-penn-state-secrecy/#comment-310961

http://files.sinwt.ru/download.php?file=25FOIA2011.zip

and at tAV

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/great-white-hunter/#comment-58060

Don't know what it is or whether it is just a scam, trying to download, looks like so are a lot of others.

Nov 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterGreen Sand

In my opinion the Prince of Wales laid himself open to disrespect and scorn when he started using his position to make speeches at many events and warning of doom due to climate change (AGW).

Nov 22, 2011 at 4:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterDung

I took the opportunity to insert the phrase "a right" before referring to the Prince of Wales as Charlie.

Nov 22, 2011 at 4:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterDung

I stated that the Duke must be sick of the utterances of Prince Charles (on the subject of climate change).

Nov 22, 2011 at 4:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterDung

I had a post erased by the Bish this week and I do not know why so I will experiment:

I praised the Duke of Edinburgh for his comments onn wind turbines.

Nov 22, 2011 at 4:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterDung

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