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Hooray! Ding Dong! The Witch is dead.

Dec 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM | Registered CommenterMartin A

EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has resigned I believe:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2012/12/27/epa-administrator-resigns-declared-carbon-dioxide-a-pollutant/
Nice work Chris Horner, the EPA is becoming accoutable. What will be in the emails? Some damned juicy green scandal methinks. But not according to the Grauniad, they can't bring themselves to mention EPA's decision to release thousands of emails, or even enquire about the reasons for her resignation.

Dec 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterJustin Ert

The Met Office must be right....

Met office rainfall report: In terms of temperature and sunshine the year [2012] as a whole is set to be unremarkable, both being around normal. However, overall 2012 is set to be cooler than 2011, but warmer than 2010.

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=10827

Met Office 2013 forecast ….. This is consistent with the Met Office forecast statement that 2012 was expected to be warmer than 2011, but not as warm as the record year of 2010.

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=10828

Dec 28, 2012 at 11:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

I have just been reading a paper called, "Representing people, representing nature, representing the world" by John O'Neill of the Centre for Philosophy, Institute for Environment, Philosophy and Public Policy, University of Lancaster (2001).

It is all about deliberative democracy and the problems of representation, but one point struck me: - "...under the nonideal conditions of actual deliberation in political and social life, the existence of consensus can be a sign of personal or structural power which is exercised to keep various voices and conflicts out of the realm of public discussion, rather than an indication of the exercise of the power of reasoned public conversation. For that reason there is as much a need for dissensus conferences as consensus conferences, for places where hidden conflicts are made explicit and silenced voices heard".

That says it all for me. Deliberative democracy is an idea that has evolved to ensure that all voices are heard (whatever the difficulties of doing that are). Strange then, that those who are probably at the forefront of academia who ought to be embracing the concept are those that are doing their utmost to suppress dissenting voices.

A certain person who now seems to have been deleted was upbraiding us for being a mixed bag of dissonant voices. One of the problems of deliberative democracy is around representation in the politics of presence. "Individuals have a complex set of identities under different descriptions. The questions of which of these is to count and under what descriptions different groups are included in deliberation, and of how particular individuals can be said to legitimately stand for or speak on behalf of others becomes increasingly problematic." Zed may well make that charge against the visitors here, but I think the same charge could be made against the members of the so-called consensus, especially when one views the contents of some of the Climategate emails.

Dec 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy

Can I strongly recommend everyone to read a post by:

From the Ecclesiastical Uncle, an old retired bureaucrat in a field only remotely related to climate with minimal qualifications and only half a mind.

On the history and the state of government in the UK, it is one of the best posts I have ever read on BH.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/discussion/post/1918418?currentPage=3

Dec 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM | Registered CommenterDung

Lord B
thank you.

If I had the money and was young enough... under 40 I think... and the money - I'd certainly consider it

Like many folk though, I'm getting pretty ticked off with continually being volunteered to be euthanised by nasty little ideologues and was looking for a humane riposte that's cost effective at both removing them from the gene pool and erm... expanding their horizons.

So many positives:
Their own physical planet
The new Pilgrim Fathers
New Holland in the stars (n.b. Guardian folk - no inconvenient natives of note)
The opportunity to test their theories in practice.

Assuming that their fellow travelers don't push them out the airlock part way.

I've resisted dispensing gratuitous reproduction and travel advice to trolls and the like - but Elon Musk seems to have provided something truly useful here - or there :-)

Douglas Adams was a prophet.

As it stands - if SpaceX do "Pioneer Savings Accounts" which have a low enough balance threshold, the small mischief of opening one for Piers Morgan or Roger Harrabin will have me clicking away maniacally at PayPal.com

Dec 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Tomo

Space Pioneer

It's on again, New Years day but I suspect that you will be wanting to contact Robert Zubrin to suggest volunteers for early missions.

'So what do you think? Would you volunteer as a colonist from Mars? Or are you happy to let NASA's Rovers, the robots, explore the Red Planet? Give us a call. Our number is 1-800-989-8255, 1-800-989-TALK. You can tweet us @scifri, @-S-C-I-F-R-I. Or you can go to our Facebook page or our website. Our home page is sciencefriday.com.'

Dec 28, 2012 at 8:57 AM | Registered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

BB

I am sure you are right ^.^ but Einstein and others set out to devise experiments to test his theories and some of them have been proved correct by those experiments. Good scientists always set out to prove their theories through experiment; hence after decades, the Large Hadron Collider recently proved the existence of the Higgs Boson and is still working on proving Svensmark's theories.
I really dont see climate scientists rushing to try to prove the GHE experimentally.

Dec 28, 2012 at 7:29 AM | Registered CommenterDung

Dung, "If it can not be proved experimentally then it is it is bollocks." - people probably said the same about Einstein's theories.

Dec 28, 2012 at 12:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterBitBucket

M'Lord Beaverbrook

would you have a link for the video?

I was thinking to have a whip round for Piers Morgan

Dec 27, 2012 at 11:36 PM | Registered Commentertomo

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