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Mar 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM | geoffchambers

If they refuse to put our comments up, their posts will be threadbare. By putting them up, they have to admit at least that there’s an alternative point of view.

That is one way of looking at it.

It remains to be seen whether, say, Dave Cullen or leedsjon1 return to the joust or just let things fizzle out with time and/or boredom.

That the posts are up tells me that they are scared of being further ridiculed and that is the reason rather than they have come round to admit that there is an alternative point of view.

Showing the posts is not evidence that they are re-thinking their position.

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM | TheBigYinJames

We should be trying to show them that their chosen vehicle is making things worse, not better.

Can we look forward to your contribution at NLP, that is, your attempt "to show them that their chosen vehicle is making things worse, not better"?

Just asking.

Mar 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterBrownedoff

I'm with geoff. Lefty-do-gooders might be foolish, but they are usually coming from a genuine desire to make things better. This is why they react in a hostile way when criticised, because you're criticising their core belief in rightness. We should be trying to show them that their chosen vehicle is making things worse, not better.

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

.. And eleven minutes after your post, comments by Alex, Robin and me magically appeared at NLP. You must have impressed Alice in your two-sentence exchange!
They may be of minimal importance politically, but our comments present them with a choice. If they refuse to put our comments up, their posts will be threadbare. By putting them up, they have to admit at least that there’s an alternative point of view.
I don’t expect you to be interested in the mindset of “arrogant bien-pensant leftists”, but I come from there - they’re my roots. As long as they’re in thrall to the CAGW delusion they really have nothing to be arrogant about.

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

You may have noticed that last week was Climate Week, our supercharged national occasion for climate awareness. Apparently, the activities organised this year by Bournemouth and Poole Council were going to make the event "bigger than ever", according to Councillor Xena Dion:

However, things turned out otherwise, according to this article:

Climate Week, which was set up last week by Bournemouth and Poole Borough Councils, was supposed to invite people to combat climate change by making simple sustainable life choices, but not many people came along to take part in the events and the carbon footprint remains high.

Bournemouth Councillor David Smith is quoted as saying "On a national scale maybe petrol's price raising and gas bills raising could be an effective solution to carbon emission because people would consume less".

I'm not sure whether Councillor Smith or the article writer is responsible for the odd grammar, but aside from that, if this quote is in any way accurate it shows once again that we have some elected representatives (need it be said) who remain steadfastly out of touch with the people for whom they are meant to be working.

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

Mar 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM | rhoda

I am taking vicarious pleasure in imagining that those "editors" at NLP have heard (or have been told) that they are being discussed in unflattering terms at BH, and that they are occasionally sneaking in for a quick peep and then reeling away from their screens moaning and tearing their hair out.

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM | Unregistered CommenterBrownedoff

Geoff, I admire your persistence. Bell talks the talk, but I see no evidence that she completes the cliche. All that brave talk is just fluff. You and Robin have given 'them' plenty of time and opportunity to reply. Maybe you have triggered some thoughts in the readers which may come to fruition in time. But after my experience there I'm with Brownedoff. Sorry.

Mar 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM | Registered Commenterrhoda

You say of Alice Bell: “She's had plenty of opportunity to engage, and she won't.”
In the Guardian/Greenpeace debate Alice came out strongly in favour of the interctive new media, praising Leo Hickman's blog because it “supplies a space for new people that he hasn't thought of to drop in answers” and because he “has a respect for the expertise of his audience and therefore draws on a lot more expertise than you could initially imagine.” She ends her speech by saying “Be bold, to be open, and listen, and collaborate.”
That’s what she’s been brought in to do at the NLP. If we keep talking there, someone will reply, and a debate wll begin.
(My comment has been in moderation for two days)

Mar 15, 2013 at 6:12 AM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

@ Robin, I missed that - thanks!

Mar 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

Alex Cull:

Re French real time energy, Dreadnaught provided a link to SandyS a couple of days ago:

Mar 14, 2013 at 9:22 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Mar 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM | Robin Guenier

Holy mackeral, Saphire, I am sure that black smoke is pouring from the ears of the NLP glitterati as they read that communication.

Mar 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM | rhoda

Thank you for that information.

Mar 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM | John Shade

"Read out" - yes I definitely feel that has happened to me.

Unlike Robin, who intends to carry on, I shall not darken their doorway again. Sorry Robin, the shower at NLP are lacking in knowledge and moral fibre and I propose to "read them out".

Mar 14, 2013 at 6:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterBrownedoff

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