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Interesting quotes of editors agreeing to report only 1 side of the debate 20 years ago suanews.com/seldom-heard-quotes

Nov 18, 2013 at 12:07 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Yet again, Matt McGrath of the BBC turns to WWF in "Coal fires green anger at UN climate talks".
beeb

Nov 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

also in Canada
in NZ since 2011 as a result of the "All sizzle and no sausage law"

The lawyer for the Charities Registration Board Peter Gunn, said the law permitted charities to be advocates but you could not have a charity that was only an advocate.
- "You can't have just sizzle and no sausage," he said.
August 2013 The Supreme Court has reserved its decision. The case has already been considered in the High Court and the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal had asked the new Charities Registration Board to reconsider Greenpeace's application to be registered as a charity. link

- It's controversial in the US cos while the 3 GP orgs are tax exempt the tax authorities came down hard on the Tea Party ..from "Nichols notes that both New Zealand and Canada have stripped Greenpeace of its charity status."
"The IRS conducted an extensive review and concluded in December 2005 that Greenpeace USA continued to qualify for its tax-exempt status.” wikipedia
"The organization does not accept money from governments, intergovernmental organizations, political parties or corporations in order to avoid their influence"
<p>- Seems ? in canada GP just formed a second charity which funnels money to GP. link
- I don't really understand the rules ..maybe it's that charities get tax back from gov on the basis that they do good, whereas political parties might be counted as non-profit and don't get tax benefits/money.

- Greenpeace doesn't want it's members to be in Russian jails so perhaps at the end of the trial the Russians might offer Xyears in jail ....or a $250m fine instead
(-they could recover some of that by putting up the charges they charge the IPCC for Greenpeace activists writing IPCC reports)

- Good rebuttal by Heartland against smears of Big Oil ..Pointing out in last 10 years it received almost zero money from oil ..yet green orgs received tens of millions
- I missed the story of Rainbow Warrior been boarded & sign changed to Propaganda Warrior

Nov 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Messenger: And there was I thinking that the issue of the Greenpeace hooligans holed up in Russian prisons had created "international amusement".

Nov 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

On Radio 4 Toady this morning John Humphreys had a news item about the large donation to UKIP (see below, Philip Bratby 8.08am) and then went straight on to the next item saying: "....and now for another bit of bad news." (Unbiased, ho, ho).

There was also an item on the Greenpeace activists holed up in Russian prisons, which Humphreys said had raised
"international outrage".

Really?

Nov 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Lord Beaverbrook, tomo

I think it is high time the charity commissioners took some action against the politicisation of the charities e.g. the RSPCA spending a fortune on private prosecutions instead of spending the money on animal welfare. I believe the New Zealand government have removed charitable status from Green Peace in New Zealand. In many cases I think donators are not aware how much is spent by charities on political campaigns.

Nov 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

UKIP getting millions here

Nov 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

tomo

Just to add fuel to your fire don't forget that Greenpeace and the like are 'subsidised' by the UK tax payer due to their charitable status, in the green way of calculating subsidies. They receive more benefit from the nation than do coal companies.

Nov 18, 2013 at 8:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

stewgreen
duh...

them too :-)

The leaders of almost the entire mainstream charity sector, along with most public bodies have paddled up AGW creek with the assistance of entryist activists with the correct social connections leading them around a stacked (in two senses) ideological buffet... It's all part of the toxic shift of charities from a pragmatic, practical response to a more ideologically focused , PR driven "professional" approach (and bureaucratic bloat) - the skewing of charity activity and the abuse of charity status is a boom industry - as is the activist re-purposing administration of philanthropic bequests (and zombie high street shops).

As you say - they're going to look idiotic - but those doomsters keep knocking on my front door.

At some stage they're going to have to reconcile the lack of evidence with their predictions and as we've seen repeatedly in the AGW arena - "status" (and DEC has some prominent household names still trusted by many) gets repeatedly abused/substituted to ram over the AGW "sales message" or block reasonable discussion. Mission creep on a stick.

The AGW cult has come so far now that some fairly radical measures are going to be necessary to try and blunt the inevitable (and wholly deserved) backlash - selective amnesia is going to be part of the recipe together with self serving re-branding... Bill Hicks nails it for me... .and shamefully PR/marketing drives our present UK politics.

The persistence of and easy access to effective rebuttal provided by the Internet has become an embarrassment to increasing number of players in public life. It is clear that politicians and public officials in particular want to control dissemination of ideas. Given the mantra chanting by DEC PR - repetition and volume are one adman strategy that they're hoping will drown us out. The others are the rubbish bin icon on the desktop or the threat of reduced advertising


/ramble

Nov 18, 2013 at 2:48 AM | Registered Commentertomo

@tomo Not DECC mate DEC
Disaster Emergencies Committee (DEC) the group of charities raising money for Philippines
that used normal donations in the past to lobby on CC cause

Nov 18, 2013 at 12:12 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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