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Take this to the discussion forum please"
Nov 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM | Bishop Hill

Apologies - hadn't refreshed.

Nov 9, 2011 at 2:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterZedsDeadBed

"The majority of climate researchers do not buy into the ever-more alarmist scenarios being propagated by the enviro-activists who are aiming to drag us kicking and screaming back to the Dark Ages."
Nov 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Mike Jackson

Yes Mike - they do. Look at those involved in the IEA strategy report, as that's the one we're actually talking about here. Some of them are climate scientists who have been involved all the way through.

So much of what you say is conjecture with no evidence. You're fully aware of the papers covering consensus. Criticise them all you wish, but until you have something concrete to show me which suggests otherwise, then they're always the closest thing we have to the actual picture.

Nov 9, 2011 at 2:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterZedsDeadBed

Zed, others

Take this to the discussion forum please

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

Well, if governments still believed in the consensus they would not be back-pedalling on green initiatives. That would be illogical. Instead there would be massive clamour to renew Kyoto. that's not going to happen. Sorry ...

Instead we have people like you trying to reposition yourselves and refusing to state what the consensus actually is any more. The consensus is not, and never has been, about catastrophic climate change. So any "five years to save the world" alarmism is NOT backed by any consensus.

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

"Do Not Feed The Losing Troll."
Nov 9, 2011 at 1:44 PM | TheBigYinJames

i.e. Zed's right, and engaging with Zed only exposes this, so to try and cover this over, let's try and ignore all dissent from our own untenable position.

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterZedsDeadBed

Sorry, Zed, I can't agree.
Ask Richard Betts if you don't believe me.
The majority of climate researchers do not buy into the ever-more alarmist scenarios being propagated by the enviro-activists who are aiming to drag us kicking and screaming back to the Dark Ages.
Try having a proper read at the literature and not just popping up here with your own set of pre-conceived notions. That is what you accuse us of doing so you presumably know better and still have something resembling an open mind. (He said in a fit of unusual generosity!)
The scary stories are always timed to hit the media just ahead of one of these IPCC sunshine holiday parties and given that it is hardly surprising if they're treated with a degree of cynicism.
You do, of course, realise that AR4 is actually less scary in its conclusions than the Summary for Policymakers, and even that is riddled with 'likely' and 'probable' and 'more likely than not' and other caveats (not to mention outright errors) stretching from here to the Himalayas.

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

Do Not Feed The Losing Troll.

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM | matthu


Uh uh uh now - the classic avoidance technique - answer a question with a question to try and change the subject.

It's pretty simple, you've made an outrageous claim which I am fairly certain is incorrect. Namely, that "Talk of a near universal consensus in eistence today is poppycock". I've called you on it, and asked for evidence of this amongst climate scientists.

I'm guessing you haven't a shred of evidence - have you?

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterZedsDeadBed

zed - can you remind me what the so-called consensus actually says?

Does it agree that catastrophic climate cange is just around the corner? Or is that something tacked onto the end of what the consensus has actually agreed : that some of teh current warming may be due to anthropogenic causes.

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM | Unregistered Commentermatthu

Got a new hobby

Troll baiting !!!!!!!!

Nov 9, 2011 at 1:18 PM | Unregistered Commenterbreath of fresh air

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