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Prof Stephan Lewandowsky responds a second time..

Sep 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Meantime, there is getting to be a growing disparity between actual wind output and latest forecast output. Current output is about 600MW below forecast. This is somewhat contrary to the IPPR report claims on accuracy of forecasting.

Sep 4, 2012 at 8:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

The Failings of the Stern Review of the Economics of Climate Change

by Peter Lilley M.P. with forward by Professor Richard Tol

"The Stern Review was a tactical masterstroke, but it will likely prove to be a strategic blunder. Its academic value is zero." - Richard Tol

Sep 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM | Registered Commentermatthu

@ Robin and JamesP

Rezaul Karim Chowdhury from EquityBD Bangladesh said, "No deep cut now means mass carbon genocide to least developed countries, especially possible extinction of small island countries like Bangladesh, the Maldives, the Philippines etc."

The "small island country" of Bangladesh is, of course, deeply concerned about becoming extinct from climate change and carbon emissions. Worried sick! So much so, that according to their wiki page, they are currently emulating the Maldives and spending $7.5 billion on a new international airport, modelled on Thailand’s Suvarnabhumi Airport, which is the sixth busiest airport in Asia and has the world's fourth largest single-building airport terminal.

As well as turning their back on nasty carbon-emitting aviation, they are definitely not interested in taking part in the awful capitalistic global economy which is killing the planet and threatening them with extinction. "Next Eleven" economic giant? No way! So they've decided to construct the largest deep sea port in South Asia at Sonadia Island.

The 500 billion taka project will be completed in multiple phases and enable Bangladesh to service the whole region as a maritime transport and logistics hub. India, China, Bhutan, Nepal and other neighbouring countries will be able to take full advantage of the strategic location and Bangladesh’s LDC status for exporting their goods, which are manufactured in Bangladesh."

Also, they've clearly been taking to heart the homilies of Western greens about the evils of modern transport, because "the government plans to construct more expressways, freeways, and flyovers". And the government has "signed a deal with a Chinese company to provide high-speed modern DEMU trains and is also going to construct metro rail system and high-speed electric powered inter city rail network. More airports, bridge (such as the multi-billion Padma Bridge project) national highways are also being constructed to facilitate trade and regional development."

As ever (and especially where climate change is concerned) actions really do speak louder than words.

Sep 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

In the name of God! (Forgive me, Lord, but really!)
Since when was Bangladesh an island?
And the bloody place is actually growing. Check out this from Ben Pile and especially this quote:

The Bangladeshi rivers carry silt unlike any others and an intervention is all that is needed to create new land,” said S.R. Khan, a government water engineer. “Bangladesh is the only country in the world that can physically grow.” [...] “Our understanding is that the process of siltation, particularly when you are supporting it through creating dams, that the process is much faster than the increase in sea levels,” said Alphons Hennekens, the Netherlands’ ambassador to Bangladesh.
I think if anyone has knowledge of this subject it's the Dutch, no?

As for India and China and their emissions, Robin. Why let facts get in the way of another gravy train?

Sep 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson


This article reporting on the views of the "Asian climate justice activists" is bizarre. An extract:

Advocates from various parts of Asia expressed dismay over the EU's proposal at the workshop of reducing carbon emission by only 20 per cent. They demanded that 'real solutions' to the climate crisis begin with deep, drastic and domestic emissions cuts by rich industrial countries, especially EU countries and the United States.

Rezaul Karim Chowdhury from EquityBD Bangladesh said, "No deep cut now means mass carbon genocide to least developed countries, especially possible extinction of small island countries like Bangladesh, the Maldives, the Philippines etc."

So it's all our fault. No mention of China and India (when I last looked they were Asian countries). Yet it's they - not us - who are rapidly and vastly increasing emissions.

Sep 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier


Wishful thinking indeed! Let's hope the circus has more moments like this..


Sep 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Year after year and deadlock after deadlock - and yet the circus rolls on. See this report on the climate talks in Bangkok.

Sep 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Thanks Grumpy Old Man!

I wasn't sure what I was reading but could not find an explanation. Should have gone to Specsavers and then read the "small print"!

Sep 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand

@Messenger: Read the disclaimer.
Disclaimer: A carbon credit is a generic term for any tradable certificate or permit representing the right to emit one ton of carbon dioxide or the mass of another greenhouse gas with a carbon dioxide equivalent (tCO2e) equivalent to one ton of carbon dioxide. The hydration equilibrium constant Kh (at 25 °C) of carbonic acid is [H2CO3]/[CO2] = 1.70×10−3: Hence, the majority of the carbon dioxide is not converted into carbonic acid, but remains as CO2molecules not affecting the pH. It is an amphoteric substance that can act as an acid or as a base, depending on pH of the solution. Do you always read the small-print? Usually the folderol in the disclaimer is boring as hell! Daphne Tremayne is a fictitious character in the book Biodiesel: A Novel by George H. Monahan. That's not really a picture of her. In fact, everything at this website is satirical. Instead of wasting your time surfing the net, why not spend a few bucks and read Biodiesel: A Novel available on Come on, cheapskate! Stomp down a big Carbon Footprint and buy your copy today! Don't wait for the movie. Move it., slowpoke! Why aren't you on right now buying the book?.

Sep 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy Old Man

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