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Nov 26, 2012 at 2:16 PM | Registered Commentertomo

"SIR – As government representatives from 194 countries arrive in Doha (Comment, November 24) for climate-change talks, the realities of this changing climate are being felt more starkly than ever before.

This year has seen a record reduction in the Arctic ice sheet, droughts in the United States and a child malnutrition crisis in west Africa made worse by soaring temperatures and declining rainfall.

It is estimated that every year for the next decade, 175 million children will be affected by sudden climate-related disasters. Children are, therefore, bearing the brunt of the impact of climate change, despite being the least responsible for it.

At the Copenhagen climate talks in 2009, the world’s governments undertook to provide $100 billion a year by 2020 to tackle this crisis, and to set up a Green Climate Fund responsible for spending much of this money.

The British Government committed short-term aid money to help vulnerable countries affected by climate change, but it is yet to say where its long-term financial commitment to the fund will come from. The Government must ensure that the fund is operational in 2013, pay its fair share to the fund and use the Doha talks to push other countries to pledge contributions.

Lord Ashdown
President, Unicef UK
Telegraph letters page online 26.11.12

The letter is entitled: "Climate cash, please."
Have we found a sub-editor with a sense of humour?

Nov 26, 2012 at 2:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Your future King says:

Mankind must go green or die, says Prince Charles – The Prince of Wales has warned that mankind is on the brink of “committing suicide on a grand scale” unless urgent progress is made in tackling green issues such as carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, intensive farming and resource depletion. Adopting uncharacteristically apocalyptic language, the Prince said the world was heading towards a “terrifying point of no return” and that future generations faced an “unimaginable future” on a toxic planet. However Dr Benny Peiser, director of Lord Lawson’s Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the Prince’s views were still out of step with mainstream thinking. “He is really a good representative of the environmental movement as such and it is not a personal issue,” he said. But he added that the “extreme alarm and extreme concern” was “over the top and not helpful to the debate. It doesn’t convince any governments or any ministers and in the end it is over the top and won’t be heard.” --Jonathan Brown, The Independent, 24 November 2012

Nov 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM | Registered Commenterpeterwalsh

Pat's obviously seen this but I hadn't so re-posting here if anyone else also missed it:

Nov 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM | Registered Commenterlapogus

My Josh Calendar arrived today. The best ever calendar. I strongly recommend anyone who hasn't ordered one to do so immediately.

Nov 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

I rather like this on WUWT:

Thread: Responses to Dendros stick it to the Mann

john robertson says:
November 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Garbage in, Gospel out.

Nov 26, 2012 at 7:43 AM | Registered Commenterpeterwalsh

The floods of babble during and after this week's meetings in Doha will be the real "climate extreme" to worry about. What does "attribution" theory say about all of us drowning in drooling rants from hacktivists this week?

Grauniad has an Environment Editor to tell the world what to do

"The science and evidence of climate change is clearer than ever, the poor countries on the frontline of the immense changes taking place have done everything that was asked of them by the rich to cut their emissions. In short, there is little time left and no more excuses."

Nov 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

Dung, what bothers me about this project is that it brings together all the buzz-phrases that infest the scammiest parts of the CAGW meme. We have solar power. We have desalination instead of using rainfall and dams. We have reducing greenhouse gases. We have government grants and fawning politicians (lots of the links I checked were local pollies being photographed in front of the complex). We have 'making the deserts bloom'.

I should add, there is no shortage of fresh fruit or vegetables in Australia. The location is thousands of miles away from major markets other than Adelaide. My BS antennae are twitching.

Nov 26, 2012 at 12:49 AM | Registered Commenterjohanna


The process looks logical but certain aspects seem a bit OTT, for instance a line of motorised parabolic mirrors 75 M long to heat a pipe of oil and why build a desalination plant when a Graphene filter would be a lot cheaper? The real basis of this is sea water to irrigate vegetable production. take out their over expensive method of heating and use a Graphene filter instead of a desalination plant and the rest is a good idea ^.^

Nov 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM | Registered CommenterDung

I was intrigued by the Sundrop Farms story and did a bit of digging.

The key issue is, of course, cost. Growing hydroponic vegetables is not difficult in itself.

The difference with this project is the use of solar power to desalinate water and control temperature in the greenhouses. The technology looks quite nifty, but nifty does not equal viable, as we know

The proponents, who are strong on 'saving greenhouse gas' rhetoric, are very murky on funding sources and commercial viability. They have certainly received quite a bit of government funding, both in Australia and overseas.

When I have time, I'll try to check it out further, but wouldn't be investing my hard-earned (they are listed on the Stock Exchange) just yet.

Nov 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM | Registered Commenterjohanna

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